Heard on the local news legal sports gambling online is coming to NY just before the Superbowl...and weed as soon as April. Already saw some DraftKings commericals - funny how my interest in sports betting is at its lowest right when it becomes legal.. Haven't been to Seneca since week 7 - I watch a little NBA or NFL or a bowl game, and the only thing I think is how happy I am not to have action.
You've saved a ton of time ( often more important than money ) ...Lately I've been stuck in line waiting behind 30 people starring at the terminal trying to find the perfect 9 team parlay for $7 .. This after the one dumb security guard is me everytime...Lots of 18 year olds have grey beards right ??
Cant wait to bet from my phone ...I'll likely never set foot inside Seneca again ....
BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
Heard on the local news legal sports gambling online is coming to NY just before the Superbowl...and weed as soon as April. Already saw some DraftKings commericals - funny how my interest in sports betting is at its lowest right when it becomes legal.. Haven't been to Seneca since week 7 - I watch a little NBA or NFL or a bowl game, and the only thing I think is how happy I am not to have action.
You've saved a ton of time ( often more important than money ) ...Lately I've been stuck in line waiting behind 30 people starring at the terminal trying to find the perfect 9 team parlay for $7 .. This after the one dumb security guard is me everytime...Lots of 18 year olds have grey beards right ??
Cant wait to bet from my phone ...I'll likely never set foot inside Seneca again ....
What you need is Seneca to have an online option but still get paid in cash. You can't beat being able to go to the window and cash out on the spot. I heard DraftKings and the rest were making people call 5 times to get paid and wait a month....that would drive you nuts. Hopefully NY is smart enough to regulate payouts but I doubt it.
Does your Seneca have signs that say 10 minute limit? You should call the clock on people after 7 minutes
What you need is Seneca to have an online option but still get paid in cash. You can't beat being able to go to the window and cash out on the spot. I heard DraftKings and the rest were making people call 5 times to get paid and wait a month....that would drive you nuts. Hopefully NY is smart enough to regulate payouts but I doubt it.
Does your Seneca have signs that say 10 minute limit? You should call the clock on people after 7 minutes
@DoubleUp4Life What you need is Seneca to have an online option but still get paid in cash. You can't beat being able to go to the window and cash out on the spot. I heard DraftKings and the rest were making people call 5 times to get paid and wait a month....that would drive you nuts. Hopefully NY is smart enough to regulate payouts but I doubt it. Does your Seneca have signs that say 10 minute limit? You should call the clock on people after 7 minutes
There is a 10 minute tine limit but the serfs who work the desk are too intimidated to enforce it ...There is always a group of people at a few terminals who step away and another steps in for hours ...They're all betting 7-9 team parlays ..Always talking about " if I just would have had these 3 from this ticket on the other ticket " ....
I'd pay anything to earn 0.002 % of slot and 0.5 % of sportsbook profits.
F that if you can't get your money immediately...What's the point... , might as well open 5 Dimes back up so Tony can slow roll me for 4 months ...
BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
@DoubleUp4Life What you need is Seneca to have an online option but still get paid in cash. You can't beat being able to go to the window and cash out on the spot. I heard DraftKings and the rest were making people call 5 times to get paid and wait a month....that would drive you nuts. Hopefully NY is smart enough to regulate payouts but I doubt it. Does your Seneca have signs that say 10 minute limit? You should call the clock on people after 7 minutes
There is a 10 minute tine limit but the serfs who work the desk are too intimidated to enforce it ...There is always a group of people at a few terminals who step away and another steps in for hours ...They're all betting 7-9 team parlays ..Always talking about " if I just would have had these 3 from this ticket on the other ticket " ....
I'd pay anything to earn 0.002 % of slot and 0.5 % of sportsbook profits.
F that if you can't get your money immediately...What's the point... , might as well open 5 Dimes back up so Tony can slow roll me for 4 months ...
Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatFalconi: SEC teams have key players sitting out of meaningless bowl games because they don't want to risk injury before huge NFL contracts. SEC will win another championship like usual. All teams have players sitting out. That is no excuse. Besides, after the top two or three teams, SEC teams don't have anymore NFL prospects than any other teams.
Sure they do.
19 out of top 50 prospects are from SEC and from like 9 different teams.30/31 of top 100 prospects are from various SEC teams.
8 teams out of top 23 with most #1 rounders since 2000 are from SEC. So, 5 teams besides the top 3 SEC teams.
4 teams out of the top 9 with total draft picks are SEC teams.
So, even if you throw out Alabama and LSU, no other conference could compete with that.
You could make a case that the reason Ohio State is on top is due to Meyer’s tremendous recruiting.
Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatFalconi: SEC teams have key players sitting out of meaningless bowl games because they don't want to risk injury before huge NFL contracts. SEC will win another championship like usual. All teams have players sitting out. That is no excuse. Besides, after the top two or three teams, SEC teams don't have anymore NFL prospects than any other teams.
Sure they do.
19 out of top 50 prospects are from SEC and from like 9 different teams.30/31 of top 100 prospects are from various SEC teams.
8 teams out of top 23 with most #1 rounders since 2000 are from SEC. So, 5 teams besides the top 3 SEC teams.
4 teams out of the top 9 with total draft picks are SEC teams.
So, even if you throw out Alabama and LSU, no other conference could compete with that.
You could make a case that the reason Ohio State is on top is due to Meyer’s tremendous recruiting.
The SEC has produced the most draft picks by any conference for each year since 2007, but 2019 was extraordinarily successful.
In raw numbers, the Big Ten came in second with 40 selections, followed by the Pac-12's 33, the ACC's 28 and the Big 12's 26.
However, it's worthwhile to judge each league on a per capita basis, given that the Power 5 populations vary by 40 percent from largest to smallest.
1. SEC - 4.57
2. Big Ten - 2.86
3. Pac-12 - 2.75
4. Big 12 - 2.60
5. ACC - 2.00
NFL Draft picks per capita since...
Since 2018
1. SEC - 4.17
2. Pac-12 - 2.63
3(t). ACC - 2.61
3(t). Big Ten - 2.61
5. Big 12 - 2.30
Since 2017
1. SEC - 4.05
2. ACC - 2.76
3. Pac-12 - 2.75
4. Big Ten - 2.57
5. Big 12 - 2.00
Since 2016
1. SEC - 3.95
2. Pac-12 - 2.73
3. Big Ten - 2.67
4. ACC - 2.54
5. Big 12 - 2.15
The four-year trend lines show the SEC, while quiteso far ahead as it finished in 2019, is still clearly the favorite conference for NFL talent evaluators. The Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC are generally neck and neck, while the Big 12 -- thanks in large part to a dreadful 14 selections in 2017 -- is a clear fifth.
The SEC has produced the most draft picks by any conference for each year since 2007, but 2019 was extraordinarily successful.
In raw numbers, the Big Ten came in second with 40 selections, followed by the Pac-12's 33, the ACC's 28 and the Big 12's 26.
However, it's worthwhile to judge each league on a per capita basis, given that the Power 5 populations vary by 40 percent from largest to smallest.
1. SEC - 4.57
2. Big Ten - 2.86
3. Pac-12 - 2.75
4. Big 12 - 2.60
5. ACC - 2.00
NFL Draft picks per capita since...
Since 2018
1. SEC - 4.17
2. Pac-12 - 2.63
3(t). ACC - 2.61
3(t). Big Ten - 2.61
5. Big 12 - 2.30
Since 2017
1. SEC - 4.05
2. ACC - 2.76
3. Pac-12 - 2.75
4. Big Ten - 2.57
5. Big 12 - 2.00
Since 2016
1. SEC - 3.95
2. Pac-12 - 2.73
3. Big Ten - 2.67
4. ACC - 2.54
5. Big 12 - 2.15
The four-year trend lines show the SEC, while quiteso far ahead as it finished in 2019, is still clearly the favorite conference for NFL talent evaluators. The Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC are generally neck and neck, while the Big 12 -- thanks in large part to a dreadful 14 selections in 2017 -- is a clear fifth.
2021 NFL Draft picks by college team, conference: SEC sets new record, finishes on top for 15th straight year
For the 15th straight year, the SEC was the king of the NFL Draft. Given that a majority of college football's talent pool lies in the South, it shouldn't be a major surprise that the SEC led all conferences with 65 picks, setting a new all-time record for a single conference in the event.
2021 NFL Draft picks by college team, conference: SEC sets new record, finishes on top for 15th straight year
For the 15th straight year, the SEC was the king of the NFL Draft. Given that a majority of college football's talent pool lies in the South, it shouldn't be a major surprise that the SEC led all conferences with 65 picks, setting a new all-time record for a single conference in the event.
Yes it matters when players sit out for the draft. Absolutely, it does. Just by definition, as demonstrated by the numbers above, the SEC could be hurt more by this. Unless the team is in the playoffs their top players are more apt to sit out. You can make the point that the non-playoff SEC teams could have more sitting out and/or not care as much about a bowl game — knowing the next step is the NFL.
It will always make coaching and team cohesion trickier for a team of 18-20 year-olds when you add this into the mix. In the NFL, it is far different when you have a player or two out.
Yes it matters when players sit out for the draft. Absolutely, it does. Just by definition, as demonstrated by the numbers above, the SEC could be hurt more by this. Unless the team is in the playoffs their top players are more apt to sit out. You can make the point that the non-playoff SEC teams could have more sitting out and/or not care as much about a bowl game — knowing the next step is the NFL.
It will always make coaching and team cohesion trickier for a team of 18-20 year-olds when you add this into the mix. In the NFL, it is far different when you have a player or two out.
Your numbers are misleading. Take out Alabama, Georgia, maybe LSU, then run your numbers. I imagine the numbers would prove my point. Is a conference of Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. sending so much more talent to the league? No. My point is and was that the SEC is top heavy. Alabama is arguably one of the best, if not the best team every year. Then you can always throw in another 2-3 teams, Georgia one year, LSU, Auburn. And in some years past, even the Kentucky and Mizzou, the A&M's of the world would be completive in other conferences. Not every year. Not this year. The bowl record demonstrates this.
Your numbers are misleading. Take out Alabama, Georgia, maybe LSU, then run your numbers. I imagine the numbers would prove my point. Is a conference of Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. sending so much more talent to the league? No. My point is and was that the SEC is top heavy. Alabama is arguably one of the best, if not the best team every year. Then you can always throw in another 2-3 teams, Georgia one year, LSU, Auburn. And in some years past, even the Kentucky and Mizzou, the A&M's of the world would be completive in other conferences. Not every year. Not this year. The bowl record demonstrates this.
People just do not like a team, or even a person, that is consistently better or more of a winner. Unless, it is them or their team.
If you travel to various parts of the country you can get a feel for which areas emphasize college football over pro football.
They do not like the bias from the media towards the SEC. They ask if there is a bias or say that there is a bias. Of course there is! Same with big market city teams in other sports. Like Lakers, Yankees, Dallas, Knicks, etc. If one of these teams is good the ratings go up. Money comes in — and teams usually win.
For example, imagine if there were no draft in pro sports and you could just go recruit — like in college. You would concentrate the talent to a smaller — or more interested — area, quite quickly.
People just do not like a team, or even a person, that is consistently better or more of a winner. Unless, it is them or their team.
If you travel to various parts of the country you can get a feel for which areas emphasize college football over pro football.
They do not like the bias from the media towards the SEC. They ask if there is a bias or say that there is a bias. Of course there is! Same with big market city teams in other sports. Like Lakers, Yankees, Dallas, Knicks, etc. If one of these teams is good the ratings go up. Money comes in — and teams usually win.
For example, imagine if there were no draft in pro sports and you could just go recruit — like in college. You would concentrate the talent to a smaller — or more interested — area, quite quickly.
@Raiders22 Your numbers are misleading. Take out Alabama, Georgia, maybe LSU, then run your numbers. I imagine the numbers would prove my point. Is a conference of Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. sending so much more talent to the league? No. My point is and was that the SEC is top heavy. Alabama is arguably one of the best, if not the best team every year. Then you can always throw in another 2-3 teams, Georgia one year, LSU, Auburn. And in some years past, even the Kentucky and Mizzou, the A&M's of the world would be completive in other conferences. Not every year. Not this year. The bowl record demonstrates this.
Correct. That is what I pointed out. Just use the last draft and take out the top two SEC teams. The SEC still leads in picks by 1 pick — I think.
But if you take out the top 3 teams. Then yes, another conference will have the lead —- finally!
@Raiders22 Your numbers are misleading. Take out Alabama, Georgia, maybe LSU, then run your numbers. I imagine the numbers would prove my point. Is a conference of Vandy, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc. sending so much more talent to the league? No. My point is and was that the SEC is top heavy. Alabama is arguably one of the best, if not the best team every year. Then you can always throw in another 2-3 teams, Georgia one year, LSU, Auburn. And in some years past, even the Kentucky and Mizzou, the A&M's of the world would be completive in other conferences. Not every year. Not this year. The bowl record demonstrates this.
Correct. That is what I pointed out. Just use the last draft and take out the top two SEC teams. The SEC still leads in picks by 1 pick — I think.
But if you take out the top 3 teams. Then yes, another conference will have the lead —- finally!
The bowl record does NOT demonstrate that. Like I pointed out — the emphasis from the top players (and even the other close teams) has changed now. Bowl game are NOT what they used to be. Too many and watered down now. Even teams without a winning record can get in. But the elite players on those teams do not care as much anymore. And as the numbers reflect, even the mid to lower SEC teams have more elite players. Just not as many as the top teams. So, in a middling bowl game an SEC team vs any other mid level team. The SEC team is usually the more disappointed and disinterested team/player(s).
The bowl record does NOT demonstrate that. Like I pointed out — the emphasis from the top players (and even the other close teams) has changed now. Bowl game are NOT what they used to be. Too many and watered down now. Even teams without a winning record can get in. But the elite players on those teams do not care as much anymore. And as the numbers reflect, even the mid to lower SEC teams have more elite players. Just not as many as the top teams. So, in a middling bowl game an SEC team vs any other mid level team. The SEC team is usually the more disappointed and disinterested team/player(s).
Again, these are not ‘my numbers’. Anyone can look them up. Anyone can study recruiting. Anyone can study the draft. Anyone can travel. Anyone can parse it any way they like. Just have to see it. Until you look at some things for yourself it is hard to take the bias out. Especially, if you live in the Midwest or northeast and only hear about 2-3 teams, while the rest of the teams do not care as much about winning.
Even take the absolute middle of the SEC and go compare it to the middle of the other conferences — SEC cares more.
And a rising tide lefts all boats.
Top to bottom the SEC is best year in and year out — and it is not close. Some years it is even hard to tell which conference is second.
You have to ask why is that? Some years one conference gets better talent and coaching — the next couple of years another conference does.
The SEC always had the coaching and recruiting — every year!
Again, these are not ‘my numbers’. Anyone can look them up. Anyone can study recruiting. Anyone can study the draft. Anyone can travel. Anyone can parse it any way they like. Just have to see it. Until you look at some things for yourself it is hard to take the bias out. Especially, if you live in the Midwest or northeast and only hear about 2-3 teams, while the rest of the teams do not care as much about winning.
Even take the absolute middle of the SEC and go compare it to the middle of the other conferences — SEC cares more.
And a rising tide lefts all boats.
Top to bottom the SEC is best year in and year out — and it is not close. Some years it is even hard to tell which conference is second.
You have to ask why is that? Some years one conference gets better talent and coaching — the next couple of years another conference does.
The SEC always had the coaching and recruiting — every year!
"Well, let's look at their H2H. Let's look at bowls?"
"Nope, let's ignore that because it goes against my argument."
Do you even follow college football or do you just like to debate? Do you really think the Tennessee's, the Florida's of the world are disappointed? Like they thought they would be in the playoff? They're more disappointed than the Wisconsin's, the Oklahoma's of the world. You don't know a damn thing about these kids' motivations. You're trying to win an argument with conjecture.
"Well, let's look at their H2H. Let's look at bowls?"
"Nope, let's ignore that because it goes against my argument."
Do you even follow college football or do you just like to debate? Do you really think the Tennessee's, the Florida's of the world are disappointed? Like they thought they would be in the playoff? They're more disappointed than the Wisconsin's, the Oklahoma's of the world. You don't know a damn thing about these kids' motivations. You're trying to win an argument with conjecture.
@Raiders22 I've heard it all. "How do conferences match up?" "Well, let's look at their H2H. Let's look at bowls?" "Nope, let's ignore that because it goes against my argument." Do you even follow college football or do you just like to debate? Do you really think the Tennessee's, the Florida's of the world are disappointed? Like they thought they would be in the playoff? They're more disappointed than the Wisconsin's, the Oklahoma's of the world. You don't know a damn thing about these kids' motivations. You're trying to win an argument with conjecture.
Yes. I do. And that is a HUGE part of the issue. People at Florida DO care. Not as much Vanderbilt, let us say. But other mid-range SEC teams and fan bases — absolutely!!
@Raiders22 I've heard it all. "How do conferences match up?" "Well, let's look at their H2H. Let's look at bowls?" "Nope, let's ignore that because it goes against my argument." Do you even follow college football or do you just like to debate? Do you really think the Tennessee's, the Florida's of the world are disappointed? Like they thought they would be in the playoff? They're more disappointed than the Wisconsin's, the Oklahoma's of the world. You don't know a damn thing about these kids' motivations. You're trying to win an argument with conjecture.
Yes. I do. And that is a HUGE part of the issue. People at Florida DO care. Not as much Vanderbilt, let us say. But other mid-range SEC teams and fan bases — absolutely!!
Yep. It is NOT a court case. But how else do explain the better recruiting and better coaching? It is because that is ALL the fan base there cares about.
Yep. It is NOT a court case. But how else do explain the better recruiting and better coaching? It is because that is ALL the fan base there cares about.
Why can a New York or Boston area team not have a great college program every year? But they can have a great pro team every year — even with a draft? Because the fan base cares more than Miami or San Diego does. So, they control what they can control outside of having a free-for-all recruiting of talent. They pay for better coaching, better personnel evaluators, better facilities etc. Nowadays, they can emphasize the media exposure for individual endorsements, etc.
Why can a New York or Boston area team not have a great college program every year? But they can have a great pro team every year — even with a draft? Because the fan base cares more than Miami or San Diego does. So, they control what they can control outside of having a free-for-all recruiting of talent. They pay for better coaching, better personnel evaluators, better facilities etc. Nowadays, they can emphasize the media exposure for individual endorsements, etc.
To me I do not even see it as a debate. A very honest follower of NCAA football knows the SEC is the best conference top to bottom — year in and year out. Look at any preseason ranking. It is flat out expected of the conference.
It is not a debate. Just a question of why it is what it is.
To me I do not even see it as a debate. A very honest follower of NCAA football knows the SEC is the best conference top to bottom — year in and year out. Look at any preseason ranking. It is flat out expected of the conference.
It is not a debate. Just a question of why it is what it is.
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