Just because one conference puts their top two teams in bowl games and wins both doesn’t prove as much as a conference that puts 9 teams in bowls and goes 7-2.
Just because one conference puts their top two teams in bowl games and wins both doesn’t prove as much as a conference that puts 9 teams in bowls and goes 7-2.
Just because one conference puts their top two teams in bowl games and wins both doesn’t prove as much as a conference that puts 9 teams in bowls and goes 7-2.
This is old but I am sure still somewhat in line with what is the case:
Interesting stats from last 10 years not including this year.
SEC 63 - 35 (70% of SEC teams playing each yr) 7 natl champs
Big 10 37 - 48 (61% of Big10 teams playing each yr) 1 natl champ
ACC 40 - 51 (64% of ACC teams playing each yr) 2 natl champs
Big 12 40 - 34 (74% of Big12 teams playing each yr) no natl champs
Pac 12 39 - 37 (63% of Pac12 teams playing each yr) no natl champs
SEC wins at much higher percentage than any other and does so playing 70% of its teams every year.
Big10 and ACC stink based on overall bowl records this last decade although they are only conferences with a natty other than SEC.
This is old but I am sure still somewhat in line with what is the case:
Interesting stats from last 10 years not including this year.
SEC 63 - 35 (70% of SEC teams playing each yr) 7 natl champs
Big 10 37 - 48 (61% of Big10 teams playing each yr) 1 natl champ
ACC 40 - 51 (64% of ACC teams playing each yr) 2 natl champs
Big 12 40 - 34 (74% of Big12 teams playing each yr) no natl champs
Pac 12 39 - 37 (63% of Pac12 teams playing each yr) no natl champs
SEC wins at much higher percentage than any other and does so playing 70% of its teams every year.
Big10 and ACC stink based on overall bowl records this last decade although they are only conferences with a natty other than SEC.
Better coaching is debatable. Nick Saban has proven himself over a number of years. Everyone else goes in phases. I bet you couldn't name more than 3 or 4 SEC coaches without Google. I'm not feeling that you are even that big of a college football fan.
As far as recruitment, it's simply regionalist. The south is a hotbed of athletic talent. The top teams in the SEC get the pick of the litter. The lesser programs gets what's left, which is top talent in it's own right. And yes, football is big in the south but this whole narrative about caring more is pure hogwash. Schools like Alabama recruit themselves. Top talent will ride the bench at Alabama over starting as a freshman at some other top programs because the want to play for a winner, they want the best chance to land on the radar of NFL scouts, plus there's the mystique of the Alabama's of the world. However, and this isn't the case every year, but it often is, and is the case this year, the point is that when you get past Alabama, and whichever other one or two SEC teams is hovering around the top in a given year, the conference reverts back to the mean. The argument often made is that even the mediocre teams in the SEC are tough. I say they are average. This season's bowl record supports this.
Better coaching is debatable. Nick Saban has proven himself over a number of years. Everyone else goes in phases. I bet you couldn't name more than 3 or 4 SEC coaches without Google. I'm not feeling that you are even that big of a college football fan.
As far as recruitment, it's simply regionalist. The south is a hotbed of athletic talent. The top teams in the SEC get the pick of the litter. The lesser programs gets what's left, which is top talent in it's own right. And yes, football is big in the south but this whole narrative about caring more is pure hogwash. Schools like Alabama recruit themselves. Top talent will ride the bench at Alabama over starting as a freshman at some other top programs because the want to play for a winner, they want the best chance to land on the radar of NFL scouts, plus there's the mystique of the Alabama's of the world. However, and this isn't the case every year, but it often is, and is the case this year, the point is that when you get past Alabama, and whichever other one or two SEC teams is hovering around the top in a given year, the conference reverts back to the mean. The argument often made is that even the mediocre teams in the SEC are tough. I say they are average. This season's bowl record supports this.
So? They are the experts.
Go look at inter conference records. It is not hard to find these things out. It is empirical data I am taking about. Not conjecture.
So? They are the experts.
Go look at inter conference records. It is not hard to find these things out. It is empirical data I am taking about. Not conjecture.
Since ‘98, for example, the SEC has a WINNING record AGAINST every other conference except the Big East. They’ve won against the ACC, the Big 10, the Big 12, and the PAC 10.
So, that means all of those other conferences have a LOSING record against the SEC.
It is plain as day to me which conference is the best.
Since ‘98, for example, the SEC has a WINNING record AGAINST every other conference except the Big East. They’ve won against the ACC, the Big 10, the Big 12, and the PAC 10.
So, that means all of those other conferences have a LOSING record against the SEC.
It is plain as day to me which conference is the best.
Another example which is older but I am sure is still true:
The numbers are in and – surprise, surprise – the SEC is the college football conference with the highest-paid coaches.
For the first time, every coach in a single conference – the SEC – surpassed the $3 million mark. With Alabama’s Nick Saban ($8,857,000, trailing only Swinney) leading the way, the SEC boasts six of college football’s 20 highest-paid coaches. Trailing Saban in that group are Texas A&M’s Jimbo Fisher (fourth at $7.5 million), Georgia’s Kirby Smart (fifth, $6,871,600), Auburn’s Gus Malzahn (sixth, $6,827,589), Florida’s Dan Mullen (10th, $6,070,000) and Kentucky’s Mark Stoops (19th, $4.75 million).
Even the SEC’s lowest-paid coaches, Mississippi State’s Joe Moorhead and Missouri’s Barry Odom ($3.05 million) rank within the top 50 nationally.
The SEC’s average payout is more than a half-million ahead of coaches from the second-place Big Ten ($4,425,241) and the rest of the Power Five conferences: the Big 12 ($4,179,897.20), ACC ($3,692,292.15 minus Miami’s Manny Diaz) and Pac-12 ($3,153,713.92).
Another example which is older but I am sure is still true:
The numbers are in and – surprise, surprise – the SEC is the college football conference with the highest-paid coaches.
For the first time, every coach in a single conference – the SEC – surpassed the $3 million mark. With Alabama’s Nick Saban ($8,857,000, trailing only Swinney) leading the way, the SEC boasts six of college football’s 20 highest-paid coaches. Trailing Saban in that group are Texas A&M’s Jimbo Fisher (fourth at $7.5 million), Georgia’s Kirby Smart (fifth, $6,871,600), Auburn’s Gus Malzahn (sixth, $6,827,589), Florida’s Dan Mullen (10th, $6,070,000) and Kentucky’s Mark Stoops (19th, $4.75 million).
Even the SEC’s lowest-paid coaches, Mississippi State’s Joe Moorhead and Missouri’s Barry Odom ($3.05 million) rank within the top 50 nationally.
The SEC’s average payout is more than a half-million ahead of coaches from the second-place Big Ten ($4,425,241) and the rest of the Power Five conferences: the Big 12 ($4,179,897.20), ACC ($3,692,292.15 minus Miami’s Manny Diaz) and Pac-12 ($3,153,713.92).
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Sec schools not named Alabama or Georgia are 1-5 in the bowls ...
All these likely NFL players scattered across the conference and their coaches can't stop teams like Purdue and Tex Tech ..
Sounds like a conference full of coaches that waste talent to me .
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Sec schools not named Alabama or Georgia are 1-5 in the bowls ...
All these likely NFL players scattered across the conference and their coaches can't stop teams like Purdue and Tex Tech ..
Sounds like a conference full of coaches that waste talent to me .
Not debatable as to who gets paid more.
Not debatable as to who recruits better.
Not debatable as to which conference wins more against the others.
Not debatable as to who produces the best/most talent.
The debatable part could only be — why?
My contention is that is where the emphasis is put and what that area cares about.
Not debatable as to who gets paid more.
Not debatable as to who recruits better.
Not debatable as to which conference wins more against the others.
Not debatable as to who produces the best/most talent.
The debatable part could only be — why?
My contention is that is where the emphasis is put and what that area cares about.
Go look up this year's bowl record. Let's start there. This is what started this debate, no? You made up some nonsense about motivation. Something you have no position to speak on, then have the nerve to speak to empirical data.
Look, from point of personal opinion, I think the SEC really is the best conference most years. In the last 20 of extensive college football analysis, there has only been a handful where I have said, "You know what? I don't think the SEC is the best conference this year. Maybe the ACC is. Maybe the Big 10." The point is that in most of those years, the conference is weighted by a couple really good programs up top. And when you get into the meat of the conference, the teams are no more better the the average teams in any other Power 5. There's this narrative that's created by sportswriters, who are not experts. They are guys nerds who never played sports, never really understood the game. Went to college. Majored in journalism. Started covering the team. Most sports journalist are idiots. H2H games though, and granted this is a different bowl season giving covid protocols, etc, but the SEC's record isn't an anomaly.
Go look up this year's bowl record. Let's start there. This is what started this debate, no? You made up some nonsense about motivation. Something you have no position to speak on, then have the nerve to speak to empirical data.
Look, from point of personal opinion, I think the SEC really is the best conference most years. In the last 20 of extensive college football analysis, there has only been a handful where I have said, "You know what? I don't think the SEC is the best conference this year. Maybe the ACC is. Maybe the Big 10." The point is that in most of those years, the conference is weighted by a couple really good programs up top. And when you get into the meat of the conference, the teams are no more better the the average teams in any other Power 5. There's this narrative that's created by sportswriters, who are not experts. They are guys nerds who never played sports, never really understood the game. Went to college. Majored in journalism. Started covering the team. Most sports journalist are idiots. H2H games though, and granted this is a different bowl season giving covid protocols, etc, but the SEC's record isn't an anomaly.
Yessir. An anomaly from time to time is fine. But 7-2? So, okay if the have a down season in the bowls.
I am simply saying they are the best conference. Maybe they have a losing season this year in bows. Maybe Wuhan, maybe disinterest, maybe bad matchups. Doesn’t matter — if they lose, they lose.
But it cannot be said — with a straight face — that they are NOT the best conference from top to bottom.
If a person says that — then they have to say which conference is better. That is the issue.
Yessir. An anomaly from time to time is fine. But 7-2? So, okay if the have a down season in the bowls.
I am simply saying they are the best conference. Maybe they have a losing season this year in bows. Maybe Wuhan, maybe disinterest, maybe bad matchups. Doesn’t matter — if they lose, they lose.
But it cannot be said — with a straight face — that they are NOT the best conference from top to bottom.
If a person says that — then they have to say which conference is better. That is the issue.
The other issue is Alabama and Georgia ARE in the conference. I am sorry but they simply are.
This is a duplicitous argument to use. You don’t subtract the top two teams or the two that won bowl games from the other conferences when you make this point.
The other issue is Alabama and Georgia ARE in the conference. I am sorry but they simply are.
This is a duplicitous argument to use. You don’t subtract the top two teams or the two that won bowl games from the other conferences when you make this point.
Isn't it your opinion that the folks who watch all of the game and report on them and analyze them and study are NOT experts? Isn’t that simply your opinion.
To have that opinion you have to say that YOU or someone else is. You can dismiss a particular one or two — but NOT a whole group that has ONE job.
Then you are going to assume the guys that work 40 hours a week on another unrelated job are more of an expert? It doesn’t make sense to do that. You have to use data and expert opinion MIXED with the eye-test.
Isn't it your opinion that the folks who watch all of the game and report on them and analyze them and study are NOT experts? Isn’t that simply your opinion.
To have that opinion you have to say that YOU or someone else is. You can dismiss a particular one or two — but NOT a whole group that has ONE job.
Then you are going to assume the guys that work 40 hours a week on another unrelated job are more of an expert? It doesn’t make sense to do that. You have to use data and expert opinion MIXED with the eye-test.
Haha!
Good point. You can show the data to folks and still they may not agree.
But that is what makes it interesting I guess. In sports people are always going to have various opinions.
Haha!
Good point. You can show the data to folks and still they may not agree.
But that is what makes it interesting I guess. In sports people are always going to have various opinions.
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You calling covid Wuhan is ignorant as hell , for all we know murica created it ...
Much like the Spanish flu that likely started in Kansas .
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You calling covid Wuhan is ignorant as hell , for all we know murica created it ...
Much like the Spanish flu that likely started in Kansas .
I think we need to crunch numbers over the last 10 or 20 years of Power 5 bowl and regular season head to head records outside of conferences leaders. So you'd be throwing out the Alabama's, Ohio State's, the Oregon's, etc. Those would be interesting numbers to see because right now you are talking about coach pay, which has nothing to do with the debate, NFL recruitment, which yeah, the south sends guys to the NFL. That's another thread altogether. I don't think anyone is debating that the SEC is the best conference just about every year but the point is that most years, outside of freaking Alabama, and usually one other team, sometimes two, the rest of the conference is mediocre. These SEC Bowl teams are losing to Ohio State's of the world. They're losing to other average teams.
I think we need to crunch numbers over the last 10 or 20 years of Power 5 bowl and regular season head to head records outside of conferences leaders. So you'd be throwing out the Alabama's, Ohio State's, the Oregon's, etc. Those would be interesting numbers to see because right now you are talking about coach pay, which has nothing to do with the debate, NFL recruitment, which yeah, the south sends guys to the NFL. That's another thread altogether. I don't think anyone is debating that the SEC is the best conference just about every year but the point is that most years, outside of freaking Alabama, and usually one other team, sometimes two, the rest of the conference is mediocre. These SEC Bowl teams are losing to Ohio State's of the world. They're losing to other average teams.
One funny quote I saw which talks about the attitude:
*SEC 2-0 in @CFBPlayoff, 1-5 in those other exhibition games
One funny quote I saw which talks about the attitude:
*SEC 2-0 in @CFBPlayoff, 1-5 in those other exhibition games
@Raiders22
You're trying to change the narrative of the thread. Maybe it's because you like to debate. Maybe you should read the thread. Nobody ever said the SEC isn't the best conference. We're all just saying that in any given year if you take out the top two or three teams, the conference is mediocre to cheeks.
@Raiders22
You're trying to change the narrative of the thread. Maybe it's because you like to debate. Maybe you should read the thread. Nobody ever said the SEC isn't the best conference. We're all just saying that in any given year if you take out the top two or three teams, the conference is mediocre to cheeks.
We will always disagree on that until we see evidence it came from somewhere other than where most reasonable folks say it originated from. We have always just used the name of where a virus originated. The experts say Wuhan — until other evidence shows up. So not ignorance, yet — until it is.
We will always disagree on that until we see evidence it came from somewhere other than where most reasonable folks say it originated from. We have always just used the name of where a virus originated. The experts say Wuhan — until other evidence shows up. So not ignorance, yet — until it is.
No sir. The fellow was upset that SEC was losing in bowl games and, therefore, SEC was not that good.
I just showed SEC is that good, even though they are losing this year in bowl game.
Top to bottom — SEC mediocrity is better than the other conferences mediocrity.
That is all.
No sir. The fellow was upset that SEC was losing in bowl games and, therefore, SEC was not that good.
I just showed SEC is that good, even though they are losing this year in bowl game.
Top to bottom — SEC mediocrity is better than the other conferences mediocrity.
That is all.
@Raiders22
They don't watch all the games. You think sports writers watch a ton of football and are analyzing the Xs and Os of the game. Like they're handicappers. Most of them only have a rudimentary understanding of the game.
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They don't watch all the games. You think sports writers watch a ton of football and are analyzing the Xs and Os of the game. Like they're handicappers. Most of them only have a rudimentary understanding of the game.
I just told you what it is? You want the link or you wanna look it up yourself?
The numbers are the numbers. Cannot swerve them. They won against everyone but the Big East since 1998.
I just told you what it is? You want the link or you wanna look it up yourself?
The numbers are the numbers. Cannot swerve them. They won against everyone but the Big East since 1998.
Huh? A lot of them actually are analysts that played the game and ex-coaches.
I promise you they know more than Joe Public. They may not know more than someone that spends 6 hours a day watching/handicapping NCAA only. But, yes, they are more of an expert than the average Joe.
Huh? A lot of them actually are analysts that played the game and ex-coaches.
I promise you they know more than Joe Public. They may not know more than someone that spends 6 hours a day watching/handicapping NCAA only. But, yes, they are more of an expert than the average Joe.
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Penn St. beat Auburn in the regular season. Mizzou lost to Boston College. Mississippi St lost to Memphis, which isn't even a Power 5 school. These are SEC Bowl teams. It's not just a losing Bowl season. This is often the case.
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Penn St. beat Auburn in the regular season. Mizzou lost to Boston College. Mississippi St lost to Memphis, which isn't even a Power 5 school. These are SEC Bowl teams. It's not just a losing Bowl season. This is often the case.
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