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@unplucked_gem

 That is not your place and since you seem to regularly bash me in the box I am not interested in what your take is on fair and any decision. That was the only warning I will give and I am positive your spin is erroneous and that you know FULLY what I am saying and given your long track record of stalking and combative posting I would not repeat this in any form again. You would be wise to listen and try to avoid others that you are pile fighting with in the box when you are out here.

@unplucked_gem

 Wrong forum, I would think you know this by now. I would suggest that those of you being really lousy in the box towards each other try and avoid each other in this area because I wont allow any stalking or taunting or combative comments, so if I see it then expect to be boxed or banned.

Nebraska hasnt played a top 50 pass team like all season. 

Another ICE brown skin take down of an American citizen on tape after they rammed the guys truck. I guess this is just normal collateral damage for the greater good.

More than a Mamdani thread we need a George Santos for Press Secretary 2026 thread

@unplucked_gem

 Yes all POTUS cycles are deception and based on making those quick impacts to get votes but there to me is a massive difference between Trump and Harris in this regard and I will comment that a huge difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump stomps on the constitution and manipulates to get what he wants where Biden attempted a few things as mentioned but did not trash the constitution, go around congress and scheme to get the student loan deal pushed through he had much more respect for the position than Trump ever could and on that topic I would say 100% I would support student loan credit/forgiveness with specific guidelines MUCH MUCH more than this gutter trash budget Trump rammed through. Both are deficit spend but one serves the common folk and Trump's trash serves the groups that do not deserve or need it and have turned this country into a police state in the process.

Harris did not throw down DAY ONE promises as a narrative, she did not personally insult and degrade Trump as a slobby draft dodging white male anywhere near to the level Trump trashed her, he trashes everyone but Harris had much more professionalism and decorum because she is a better person with more character than Trump. 

Trump used division and lies to get elected, he did not accomplish ANY of his lies and with that he should recuse himself from office given that he holds others to this standard but not himself. If you rule with a sword then you have to use that same sword on yourself when you fail to keep promises.

@unplucked_gem

 Correct, I consider that a high majority reason why. If someone plays pied piper and the idiots follow the results show themselves. The TNC narrative for the election was to place full blame for economic events on Biden, place full blame for global political issues completely on Biden, then nsult, demean, belittle Harris (this is an every day life behavior for Trump, not at all just for the election) and the most idiotic part of their scheme was to minimize and simplify complex economic conditions and say over and over and over that on day 1 all of the woes of the common dope will be fixed because he has the answers. Oh and lie about not knowing what project 2025 was.

This entire platform and approach was 100% lies not because I dislike the guy but because his own results prove and validate this fact..it is a fact.

People are lazy, unmotivated and want a quick fix to all their problems, people cannot do simple calculations like calling out the clown for saying he would lower gas prices and drill baby drill, people cannot think that the two lies are incompatible and impossible because they want to BELIEVE lies as it solves their problems.

Trump is a liar a cheat a fraud and a con based only on his words, his actions, his results. If you make promises you know cannot be kept to accomplish fraud then you are a con, and Trump is a con.

Not shocking the American public fell for a con, they want to believe lies and make believe endings and who cares if the whole premise is a dollar store souffle. What is the worst part is there is ZERO recourse, no accountability no firings of Trump the liar, using his own premise and approach he should resign for all the lack of execution of his lies.

@unplucked_gem

 DAD says that people were lied to and conned which is true and is fact, that was the reason for the election results. Lies and falsehoods were purported and people are lazy so they could not see Trump was and is a liar and Biden was blamed for all and any which was also a lie but the lie worked and here we are.

@Raiders22

 #489

So how was you asking me to discuss a topic and angle you wanted to try and exploit for ME? Do not say NO SIR as an answer to my question. How was asking me to try and corner me into a DEM answer after I already answered the Q for ME...you said it was for ME...so please explain how it was for ME.

No other replies or tangents needed, just answer how what your question was is for ME...lets just call it what it is and skip the silly dance you are trying here.

@Raiders22

 There is a difference between voting along party lines and your own personal views and thoughts so I would expect most GOP politicians to vote along party lines, we see that every freaking day here this year and her voting record is probably right in that same vein. I gave my definition of centrist so that to me means not on the extremes and able to navigate and work with the other side regularly and successfully. My list and answers are to that measure and my suggestion is that we need more centrist not extremists and for the GOP the project 2025 nonsense and religious fringes, on the DEM side less far out socialism and turning DEI into something it should not be, the extremes are not what the middle of America wants or needs on both sides politically.

When you ask me a pointed question as you did above how do you consider that being for ME in any sense? I answered your question and you then tried to turn it into a partisan DEM discussion again, that was not at all about ME it was for sure about you. "MY" party is centrists, your answers kind of make that point which is the GOP does not have centrists so my search for the greater good to those in most need means I cannot look to GOP candidates, they are not centrists and it also means the DEM side might have attributes I might not agree with but the overall goal of serving those in this country who have the least and the most needs cannot be done on the extremes. Since the GOP is filled with extremes it does not give much choice.

@unplucked_gem

 Yup Harris was not a bold faced liar and thug like Trump who is blame oriented and had every solution to any problem and made it seem to simple and grade school. People fell for a liar a cheat a con and a crappy person, they were lied to and his lack of accomplishments to HIS MEASURES are proof and fact of this. 

The con was successful as cons often times are, Harris was not a con and was not an abusive derisive thug, Trump was and MEN like that...MEN on both sides.

@Raiders22

 Why does the measure have to be a worse DEM to you? I dont care what political side someone is on as I mentioned above and have many times in the past I am more about the qualities of the person and if they are more centrist and middle in their political leanings and decision making. I do not like the extremes on both parties but I think you make a great point for me...that the GOP really does not have centrist candidates or if they are centrist they are pretty boring and uninspiring. I would call Romney more centrist I would call McCain a centrist as well and yet those two names you mentioned as being ones you were not impressed with. This is a great point that the GOP lacks centrists and your party is controlled by far extremists and has been for a long time. I think the last GOP centrist was Reagan and that is probably due to him not really being a true politician and having his past with democrats and being the gov of a democrat state and being an actor. Since Reagan there has not been an elected centrist where I would call Clinton a centrist I would also shocking to you call Obama a centrist. 

As to your question but not sure why I need to name DEMS that are worse than Harris, I named Biden  I would also put Sanders in that category were Bernie is a great speaker and very motivational very intelligent but he is too extreme and too socialist to accomplish centrist collective objectives. I would also call Pete worse I would call Newsome worse and I would call Hills worse...she is worse not for a lack of intelligence and being crafty being experienced and able to be a centrist, I consider her very devious and not trustworthy, she is too dark and deceptive for me personally and I did not support her election which observations I have made here MANY times over the past.

@Raiders22

 The measure was of VP, my list was about those who served as VP, and how do we know what she might be as POTUS until she is?

Do I think she would be a better world leader than Trump? What do you think? Every POTUS has been a better world leader than Trump so it is an easy answer.

@Raiders22

 You didnt ask me but I can think of many who were far worse and by worse that might mean more toxic and destructive-

Quayle

Bush Sr

Cheney

Biden

Pence

Johnson

My list is about non-centrists and politicians who were extreme in their views. The US needs more centrists more candidates who can balance both sides and accomplish more things towards the middle than the extremes. I consider Harris to be more centrist than any of the above list, so I consider all of my list far far worse than her.

@THEMUGG

 So I want Harris as POTUS does that make me daft?

How do you know the state of Biden and especially since the position is a figurehead and there are hundreds of people involved in making decisions, we see that in spades here with Trump who has next to zero understanding of any actions being taken under his watch. Did you say the same for Reagan who was even worse than Biden or Trump who now is quite similar in many regards?

So flipped DC on its head, what does that mean to you and what is the benefit of these actions to you? Spell out what it means not generalities but specifics and actions and the impacts of those actions. I would say he is damaging this country with his dividing antagonistic self serving approach. This country does not need more divide and anger we need more coming together and working together to make things better for the LESSER in this country, not the wealthy and powerful. 

Ive asked you for content and details before and you seem either unwilling or incapable of rational discussion, do you have more than LIBS HATE and turn DC on its head to make discussion or is it just generalities and emoticons from you?

Nice thread ploy to rattle the cages. 

Trump is not hard working, the project 2025 crew is hard working, Trump can barely read a teleprompter and make cognitive intelligent comments, he is long gone close to the level of aptitude Biden had. 

No question that the ultra conservative machine is running hard and that is evident from the progress towards those objectives, the general population voter little guy progress is pretty much zippo so if your comment about the voter working hard is legit but they are not benefitting by the work being done behind the scenes which serves a very narrow objective to which many if not most DEMS would not support.

@unplucked_gem

 Our takes on the election are different, your comments about dems voting for Trump is true but to me the reasons are different. The DEM vote for Trump was not a rejectio n of Harris more that people in general are lacking cognitive motivation to research truth and reality. People were TOLD that Biden was responsible for inflation so he was, even though no he was not...people wanted to blame Biden for aspects of their plight and especially higher costs so they believed the lies Trump spun and voted in anticipation of fake lies and untruths. Sometimes the person who is a raving lunatic liar is loud enough to get their way and after the election is over there is no accountability or ownership of the lies the hate the divide, so Trump the liar and cheat deceived the public and got elected.

Pretty much zero of his spin lies and FIRST DAY nonsense played out and yet people voted based on his inflation lies, egg prices lies, gas lies, Ukraine and Israel lies, I do not know of any lies Trump told and especially in his lying time frame actually happened and yet who cares these dopes voted and here we are.

I would imagine if you were to go back to October and have footage of Trump firing GOP federal employees, footage of gas prices being HIGHER than when he spun his lies, prices in grocery stores being the same and HIGHER for many items, the fascist ICE crap where innocent people were arrested, slammed to the ground, wacko men patrolling cities and bullying citizens I kinda think the outcome of the election would be different.

SOME people did not buy his lies, I am one of them as I know he is a cheat a liar a bully and a loser so he could say anything and I would not believe him. Some of you are so partisan that his lies either didnt matter or you actually bought into them and the hatred towards the other side would lead you to vote for anything other than the DNC candidates in the queue.

@jpot34

 So is this your way of adding value to a discussion? Parrot partisan blame gibberish? I might have a different take on Harris than ABN here but at least he can have an adult conversation with some content and intelligence, your reply is a waste of time and not sure why you would reply it is so poor there is zero potential for conversation or interaction.

@ABooksNightmare

 And of course you are right to make your own conclusions. I am not from Calif but did look at her past and I dunno looks quite vanilla to me, she worked her way through a political path and i find the comments others made in the past about female and sleeping her way up...that is juvenile and sexist, very offensive. She seemed to do a great job from my view in her court positions. Ive seen partisan comments about Harris and her style, not sure I took the conclusion because the sources mentioning here are partisan and biased and were looking to smear her, I discount those extremist comments as I do on both sides of the coin. 

I would compare her to a few politicians here in AZ that worked their way through the system from different routes and for the most part I have no issue with them so Hobbs and Gallego and Kelly and even Sinema before she went bananas and flamed out. I consider Harris a moderate DNC individual who is very intelligent and works hard, I think she did a great job as VP she was not on camera trashing foreign governments and having partisan cat fights, I would take Harris over Vance every single day of the week as a VP and for sure as POTUS. 

I just do not see the view some of you have and especially the biting partisan nasty comments in this thread and others about her, that is not how I see her at all.

@ABooksNightmare

 I think your conservative critical perspective gives you a view on Harris and mine does not. Biden was in the seat during Covid and that was a very muted period of time when there were less social engagements in society and I do not consider Harris less visible than other VPs, I do not know how any VP again in my lifetime was visible and impactful, I can name all of them going back to Reagan/Bush. If anything I would say that a VP gets the opportunity if the POTUS does well and is either 2 and done or does not want to go again, so that means two and done. CIA Bush was not some public adored VP, that was not his personality and with Bush his VP did not go further, Gore should have won but after that he did not pursue again, Biden was a lifer and not a great or visible VP, Pence what did he do? 

I do not see your line of thinking there nor any criticism of Harris regarding either her selection or her service as VP. I think some of you want to find a reason to tear her down and I just do not see any of what you guys are saying as valid and again I would take Harris every single minute of the day vs Trump and be thrilled that someone who respects the position and is not about self enrichment and zero ego loser speak is not in charge.