Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: On the Monday episode of ESPN Bet Live, Joe Fortenbaugh laid out a solid case for DEN. QBs that were the #1 overall picks making their NFL debuts went just 5-22-1 SU and 8-20 ATS. Bo Nix is 8-0 SU and ATS as a favorite. thx for that DBW. Combine above tendancy with the rookie qb first start on the road and a mispriced HFA should lead to a DENVER play or a PASS. GL on your play,very surprised you see this as a live DOG. JC, I have many other queries that favor TEN and only one that favors DEN - and that is fading TEN and it is only 3-8 ATS. Normally I don't keep track of weak 3-8 queries, but the average ATS margin is -9.8, so I am keeping an eye on it. It certainly won't keep me off TEN. While queries are thought of as technical handicapping, I think of them as a super quick method of checking fundamental data. For example, here is another query that likes weak TEN's strong passing DEF: week = 1 and AD and tpA(o:PY) < 217.5 and tpS(W) < 5.5 SU: 18-26 (-1.2,40.9%) ATS: 30-13-1 (5.7,69.8%) In week 1, Away Dogs that won 5 games or less last season but held their opponents to an average of 217 or less passing yards win SU 40.9% (a great value at +315) and cover 69.8% of the games. I used 217.5 PY to produce a larger sample size. This allowed a binomial test and the Z-value of 2.44 is at least somewhat encouraging. TEN's passing defense last season was actually stronger than that: week = 1 and AD and tpA(o:PY) < 197.5 and tpS(W) < 5.5 SU: 8-8 (-1.9,50.0%) A great value at +315! ATS: 12-4 (5.8,75.0%) I did not save that query because of the small sample size, but consider this: week = 1 and AD and tpA(o:PY) > 197.5 and tpS(W) < 5.5 84 games (vs. 16 games), so TEN's passing DEF is much stronger than most teams that couldn't win 6 games in a season. A team with an above-average passing DEF definitely qualifies as a live dog. Good luck everybody.
NICE WORK DBW.
It is imo more about the starting rookie qb and my perceived mispricing of season opening mile high HFA.
Good Luck and maybe a backdoor cover is in the cards.
Quote Originally Posted by jowchoo: Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: On the Monday episode of ESPN Bet Live, Joe Fortenbaugh laid out a solid case for DEN. QBs that were the #1 overall picks making their NFL debuts went just 5-22-1 SU and 8-20 ATS. Bo Nix is 8-0 SU and ATS as a favorite. thx for that DBW. Combine above tendancy with the rookie qb first start on the road and a mispriced HFA should lead to a DENVER play or a PASS. GL on your play,very surprised you see this as a live DOG. JC, I have many other queries that favor TEN and only one that favors DEN - and that is fading TEN and it is only 3-8 ATS. Normally I don't keep track of weak 3-8 queries, but the average ATS margin is -9.8, so I am keeping an eye on it. It certainly won't keep me off TEN. While queries are thought of as technical handicapping, I think of them as a super quick method of checking fundamental data. For example, here is another query that likes weak TEN's strong passing DEF: week = 1 and AD and tpA(o:PY) < 217.5 and tpS(W) < 5.5 SU: 18-26 (-1.2,40.9%) ATS: 30-13-1 (5.7,69.8%) In week 1, Away Dogs that won 5 games or less last season but held their opponents to an average of 217 or less passing yards win SU 40.9% (a great value at +315) and cover 69.8% of the games. I used 217.5 PY to produce a larger sample size. This allowed a binomial test and the Z-value of 2.44 is at least somewhat encouraging. TEN's passing defense last season was actually stronger than that: week = 1 and AD and tpA(o:PY) < 197.5 and tpS(W) < 5.5 SU: 8-8 (-1.9,50.0%) A great value at +315! ATS: 12-4 (5.8,75.0%) I did not save that query because of the small sample size, but consider this: week = 1 and AD and tpA(o:PY) > 197.5 and tpS(W) < 5.5 84 games (vs. 16 games), so TEN's passing DEF is much stronger than most teams that couldn't win 6 games in a season. A team with an above-average passing DEF definitely qualifies as a live dog. Good luck everybody.
NICE WORK DBW.
It is imo more about the starting rookie qb and my perceived mispricing of season opening mile high HFA.
Good Luck and maybe a backdoor cover is in the cards.
I’m a Denver fan. I took Denver in my eliminator. I’m not betting the game. First game for a rookie from the ACC in Denver will be tough. 7+ points is a lot in the NFL, just depends if Cam turns the ball over. Good luck.
I’m a Denver fan. I took Denver in my eliminator. I’m not betting the game. First game for a rookie from the ACC in Denver will be tough. 7+ points is a lot in the NFL, just depends if Cam turns the ball over. Good luck.
That supposed "great value" - TEN + 315 ML - proved to be a bit premature as the TEN line climbed to +8.5 and the ML rose to +342. I added another half unit:
That supposed "great value" - TEN + 315 ML - proved to be a bit premature as the TEN line climbed to +8.5 and the ML rose to +342. I added another half unit:
Tennessee Moneyline is wild Denver won't let them cross midfield until the 3rd quarter and I'd expect multiple sacks and INTs from the stout Denver defense.
Tennessee Moneyline is wild Denver won't let them cross midfield until the 3rd quarter and I'd expect multiple sacks and INTs from the stout Denver defense.
I did not log on until a few minutes ago. I never got any updated lines.
I did not watch the game, but I did check the box score. To Cam Ward's credit, he did not throw an INT. To the credit of TEN's passing DEF, they held Bo Nix to way under 200 yards. To the credit of DEN's passing DEF, they held CW to a measly 42.9% completion rate.
I did not log on until a few minutes ago. I never got any updated lines.
I did not watch the game, but I did check the box score. To Cam Ward's credit, he did not throw an INT. To the credit of TEN's passing DEF, they held Bo Nix to way under 200 yards. To the credit of DEN's passing DEF, they held CW to a measly 42.9% completion rate.
On today's ESPN Bet Live Field Yates said that he expects TEN to have trouble with DEN's DEF. DEN was the #1 most common pick in the ESPN Eliminator Challenge at 18.2%. Others: #2 PHL 16.1%, 3# WAS 12.2%, #4 ARZ 11.9%, #5 CIN 8.0%
Wow - all 5 of the top picks won SU! Lots of survivors.
On today's ESPN Bet Live Field Yates said that he expects TEN to have trouble with DEN's DEF. DEN was the #1 most common pick in the ESPN Eliminator Challenge at 18.2%. Others: #2 PHL 16.1%, 3# WAS 12.2%, #4 ARZ 11.9%, #5 CIN 8.0%
Wow - all 5 of the top picks won SU! Lots of survivors.
Denver turned the ball over FOUR times (3 by Nix in the first 32 minutes of the game), and they allowed a gift kickoff return with 15 seconds left that gave TENN a free 3 points. Denver couldn't have played worse and still won and barely covered. We both capped it correctly. We were right on the number. Glad it was a small unit for you.
Denver turned the ball over FOUR times (3 by Nix in the first 32 minutes of the game), and they allowed a gift kickoff return with 15 seconds left that gave TENN a free 3 points. Denver couldn't have played worse and still won and barely covered. We both capped it correctly. We were right on the number. Glad it was a small unit for you.
@DogbiteWilliams Denver turned the ball over FOUR times (3 by Nix in the first 32 minutes of the game), and they allowed a gift kickoff return with 15 seconds left that gave TENN a free 3 points. Denver couldn't have played worse and still won and barely covered. We both capped it correctly. We were right on the number. Glad it was a small unit for you.
Wow - DEN was incredibly lucky to cover. I ran a current-game query that tells the sad story for TEN bettors:
HF and line < -7.2 and TO > 3.5
SU: 64-73 (-0.9,46.7%)
ATS: 19-118 (-11.3,13.9%)
Home Favorites of 7.5 or more that commit 4+ turnovers only win 46.7% of the games and only cover 13.9% of the games. The average ATS margin was -11.3 points.
We were very unlucky. Some days the opposite will happen; just not today.
@DogbiteWilliams Denver turned the ball over FOUR times (3 by Nix in the first 32 minutes of the game), and they allowed a gift kickoff return with 15 seconds left that gave TENN a free 3 points. Denver couldn't have played worse and still won and barely covered. We both capped it correctly. We were right on the number. Glad it was a small unit for you.
Wow - DEN was incredibly lucky to cover. I ran a current-game query that tells the sad story for TEN bettors:
HF and line < -7.2 and TO > 3.5
SU: 64-73 (-0.9,46.7%)
ATS: 19-118 (-11.3,13.9%)
Home Favorites of 7.5 or more that commit 4+ turnovers only win 46.7% of the games and only cover 13.9% of the games. The average ATS margin was -11.3 points.
We were very unlucky. Some days the opposite will happen; just not today.
Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: This is the query. It is fading DEN which was very strong at home last season. week = 1 and HF and line < -5.2 and tpS(margin > 8.5 @ H) > 5.5 SU: 13-9 (2.7,59.1%) ATS: 4-17-1 (-5.9,19.0%) In Week 1, home favorites of 5.5 points or more that won at least 6 home games by 9+ points last season are a horrible 4-17-1 ATS, failing to cover by an average of 5.9 points. I am aware how weak rookies usually fare in their first road games, so it is just a one-unit wager. Good luck everybody. Nice query DBW. My only pushback is the mispriced HFA in season openers,imo 3 points under priced, I make the proper line 10.5
Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams: This is the query. It is fading DEN which was very strong at home last season. week = 1 and HF and line < -5.2 and tpS(margin > 8.5 @ H) > 5.5 SU: 13-9 (2.7,59.1%) ATS: 4-17-1 (-5.9,19.0%) In Week 1, home favorites of 5.5 points or more that won at least 6 home games by 9+ points last season are a horrible 4-17-1 ATS, failing to cover by an average of 5.9 points. I am aware how weak rookies usually fare in their first road games, so it is just a one-unit wager. Good luck everybody. Nice query DBW. My only pushback is the mispriced HFA in season openers,imo 3 points under priced, I make the proper line 10.5
Broncos, with their 2 new running backs and BEST defense in NFL Absolutely destroy Titans with their rookie HC and starting rookie QB.. Tennessee won't score over 10 points..Payton wants to Finally Start a season with a resounding victory....and will follow up the following week on road defeating an overmatched Colts team to go 2-0 to start a promising season... GL Dogbite..hope you heed our advice
Broncos, with their 2 new running backs and BEST defense in NFL Absolutely destroy Titans with their rookie HC and starting rookie QB.. Tennessee won't score over 10 points..Payton wants to Finally Start a season with a resounding victory....and will follow up the following week on road defeating an overmatched Colts team to go 2-0 to start a promising season... GL Dogbite..hope you heed our advice
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