Historically, US is a country build by legal and illegal immigrants. They contribute to economy as workers, tax payers, consumers and entrepreneurs. Also immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born citizens. Realizing that mass deportation is too costly, past presidents wisely prioritize deportations of criminals and threats to national security. However xenophobic Trump exaggerates legal and illegal immigrants as threats that must be deported.
Historically, US is a country build by legal and illegal immigrants. They contribute to economy as workers, tax payers, consumers and entrepreneurs. Also immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native born citizens. Realizing that mass deportation is too costly, past presidents wisely prioritize deportations of criminals and threats to national security. However xenophobic Trump exaggerates legal and illegal immigrants as threats that must be deported.
What i do notice is that the difference between how this administration is portrayed in the news versus how it was portrayed during the prior administration's I mentioned above. Could it be because the national guard was deployed? Did anyone stop and think that maybe they were deployed because of the previous contention that was present during Biden and Obama and Bush? There are things that many Americans are not privy to so is it possible?
What i do notice is that the difference between how this administration is portrayed in the news versus how it was portrayed during the prior administration's I mentioned above. Could it be because the national guard was deployed? Did anyone stop and think that maybe they were deployed because of the previous contention that was present during Biden and Obama and Bush? There are things that many Americans are not privy to so is it possible?
That entire message about other admins vs this one has nothing to do with what this admin is doing and THAT is the core of my replies to you. I dont think there is any value saying someone else was bad or worse when this admin is in charge and this admin is doing atrocious things, the only topic of discussion is that this admin is profiling and tromping on the constitution. I didnt say much of anything else.
That entire message about other admins vs this one has nothing to do with what this admin is doing and THAT is the core of my replies to you. I dont think there is any value saying someone else was bad or worse when this admin is in charge and this admin is doing atrocious things, the only topic of discussion is that this admin is profiling and tromping on the constitution. I didnt say much of anything else.
"if ONE innocent citizen is abused then the whole thing needs to go away"
That is one crazy statement. Sure hope police never raid the wrong house. That would mean no raids, ever. Sure hope police never detain an innocent person, that would mean no detaining anyone. Sure hope an innocent never goes to jail.The end of all the court systems and prisons with this logic.
ICE wanted that "citizen" "volunteer" for something. Hope they were right or else this guy is a millionaire (if you have any faith in the legal system) In California his legal chances are pretty good.
The Left theatrics get old and stale. "Dark skinned citizen", "white thugs", etc. Give'em a onesided video and they're off and running. I prefer to let the legal system sort it out. Still have a little faith in our legal system.
Obama averaged over 900 detainees a day for 8 years. What percentage had criminal records? Shhhh, you can't use logic, it's Trump!!! Immigration does make United States strong. Illegal MASS immigration weakens it. There was a reason both Clinton and Obama stayed on top of illegal immigration. And there are several theories why Biden encouraged it and created a crisis. Now the blunt instrument Trump is charge.
I wouldn't mind military in my town. Why should I fear them? They have no arrest powers. They're our boys. Hell I would shake their hand and buy them a coffee. Why wouldn't a dem city mayor say; " Bring in the National Guard if you want to waste money, won't change a thing." Unless of course it might change a thing like reduce crime.
"if ONE innocent citizen is abused then the whole thing needs to go away"
That is one crazy statement. Sure hope police never raid the wrong house. That would mean no raids, ever. Sure hope police never detain an innocent person, that would mean no detaining anyone. Sure hope an innocent never goes to jail.The end of all the court systems and prisons with this logic.
ICE wanted that "citizen" "volunteer" for something. Hope they were right or else this guy is a millionaire (if you have any faith in the legal system) In California his legal chances are pretty good.
The Left theatrics get old and stale. "Dark skinned citizen", "white thugs", etc. Give'em a onesided video and they're off and running. I prefer to let the legal system sort it out. Still have a little faith in our legal system.
Obama averaged over 900 detainees a day for 8 years. What percentage had criminal records? Shhhh, you can't use logic, it's Trump!!! Immigration does make United States strong. Illegal MASS immigration weakens it. There was a reason both Clinton and Obama stayed on top of illegal immigration. And there are several theories why Biden encouraged it and created a crisis. Now the blunt instrument Trump is charge.
I wouldn't mind military in my town. Why should I fear them? They have no arrest powers. They're our boys. Hell I would shake their hand and buy them a coffee. Why wouldn't a dem city mayor say; " Bring in the National Guard if you want to waste money, won't change a thing." Unless of course it might change a thing like reduce crime.
I thought similar. Then I tried to find some numbers. It was interesting that an article listing almost verbatim languages suggested that ICE has detained 170 US citizens. Upon further review it said 100-something of those were people interfering.
So I be curious to review data on how many US citizens are detained, arrested, and deported vs. non-us citizens.
If even one adverse reaction took place, we should scrap COVID-19 shots / boosters
I thought similar. Then I tried to find some numbers. It was interesting that an article listing almost verbatim languages suggested that ICE has detained 170 US citizens. Upon further review it said 100-something of those were people interfering.
So I be curious to review data on how many US citizens are detained, arrested, and deported vs. non-us citizens.
If even one adverse reaction took place, we should scrap COVID-19 shots / boosters
I stand by my comment, if ONE innocent is harmed (and there have been many) than THIS TNC scheme needs to end. Did I say that any and all need to stop? Nope...this approach the approach Trump is forwarding and that is trashing the constitution and basic rights of individuals AND profiling.
Of course you do not fear ICE, you are a middle class male.
I think I need to hop in my MEDBED my brain hurts.
I stand by my comment, if ONE innocent is harmed (and there have been many) than THIS TNC scheme needs to end. Did I say that any and all need to stop? Nope...this approach the approach Trump is forwarding and that is trashing the constitution and basic rights of individuals AND profiling.
Of course you do not fear ICE, you are a middle class male.
I think I need to hop in my MEDBED my brain hurts.
The concept was literally lost because I was trying to say is that several administrations had these dame issues that are happening today...literally nothing different than previous administrations so I dont understand why this same anger wasn't present with those previous admins....I proposed was it possible because national guard was deployed or that news coverage is more prevalent now than previously...but somehow once again that means im a Trump supporter and doesnt look good for me...the rationale in this forum is often times nonexistent when you aren't just outraged by what's happening versus trying to explain this has been happening for both democratic and republican administrations in the past...logic fails on many levels when there is so much hate involved...
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The concept was literally lost because I was trying to say is that several administrations had these dame issues that are happening today...literally nothing different than previous administrations so I dont understand why this same anger wasn't present with those previous admins....I proposed was it possible because national guard was deployed or that news coverage is more prevalent now than previously...but somehow once again that means im a Trump supporter and doesnt look good for me...the rationale in this forum is often times nonexistent when you aren't just outraged by what's happening versus trying to explain this has been happening for both democratic and republican administrations in the past...logic fails on many levels when there is so much hate involved...
Dont minimize or validate something off the back of what you feel is inequity in the past and what evidence do you have to back the claim outside of what the current right wing media is telling you? Ive lived through many admins and I do not recall any who profile like this and threaten to invade Portland because of some clips Trump watched on tv from five years ago.
Trump is reckless and has no respect for human rights and especially those of minorities and non-male.
Dont minimize or validate something off the back of what you feel is inequity in the past and what evidence do you have to back the claim outside of what the current right wing media is telling you? Ive lived through many admins and I do not recall any who profile like this and threaten to invade Portland because of some clips Trump watched on tv from five years ago.
Trump is reckless and has no respect for human rights and especially those of minorities and non-male.
Obama had better immigration policies than Trump. Obama generally upheld existing immigration system but Trump resorted to illegal tactics. Obama de-prioritized deporting illegal immigrants with long ties to the US. Removing mostly new arrivals at border and criminals or threats to national security. Whereas Trump crudely expanded quick removal of all non-citizens. Obama abandoned workplace immigration raids. Instead Trump teared the country apart by targeting immigrants everywhere. Going after workers not only failed to make US safer, it also undermined the economy. Obama established legal pathways to citizenship. However Trump terminated legal protections to create chaos by turning legal into illegal immigrants. Lack of legal pathways encourage more illegal immigration. In first term, Trump reduced legal immigration but failed to reduce illegal immigration.
Obama had better immigration policies than Trump. Obama generally upheld existing immigration system but Trump resorted to illegal tactics. Obama de-prioritized deporting illegal immigrants with long ties to the US. Removing mostly new arrivals at border and criminals or threats to national security. Whereas Trump crudely expanded quick removal of all non-citizens. Obama abandoned workplace immigration raids. Instead Trump teared the country apart by targeting immigrants everywhere. Going after workers not only failed to make US safer, it also undermined the economy. Obama established legal pathways to citizenship. However Trump terminated legal protections to create chaos by turning legal into illegal immigrants. Lack of legal pathways encourage more illegal immigration. In first term, Trump reduced legal immigration but failed to reduce illegal immigration.
So accusatory you are and I know you are trying to be derogatory in doing so....not a good look for you
Media doesn't influence me...facts are facts and previous administrations, including this one, is having problems with removing illegals from this country..so much so, just as with previous administrations, legal battles are ensuing regarding excessive force...thats a fact....seems to be the norm for many many years...that was both my argument and questions I proposed which of course you like to ignore
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So accusatory you are and I know you are trying to be derogatory in doing so....not a good look for you
Media doesn't influence me...facts are facts and previous administrations, including this one, is having problems with removing illegals from this country..so much so, just as with previous administrations, legal battles are ensuing regarding excessive force...thats a fact....seems to be the norm for many many years...that was both my argument and questions I proposed which of course you like to ignore
Ok answer this for me, where are your sources for the generalizations you are making? Just going on your words which you are entitled to but if you are not getting the comparison complaint information from right wing sources, where are you getting the information you are espousing?
I would make the obvious observations that sources which conclude this admin is getting unfair or unbalanced coverage and treatment versus OTHER admins (your words) that the source would be from the group who feels there are imbalances and injustices?
So feel free to share how you drew these admin comparisons and why you made them?
Ok answer this for me, where are your sources for the generalizations you are making? Just going on your words which you are entitled to but if you are not getting the comparison complaint information from right wing sources, where are you getting the information you are espousing?
I would make the obvious observations that sources which conclude this admin is getting unfair or unbalanced coverage and treatment versus OTHER admins (your words) that the source would be from the group who feels there are imbalances and injustices?
So feel free to share how you drew these admin comparisons and why you made them?
Obama had better immigration policies than Trump. Obama generally upheld existing immigration system but Trump resorted to illegal tactics. Obama de-prioritized deporting illegal immigrants with long ties to the US. Removing mostly new arrivals at border and criminals or threats to national security. Whereas Trump crudely expanded quick removal of all non-citizens. Obama abandoned workplace immigration raids. Instead Trump teared the country apart by targeting immigrants everywhere. Going after workers not only failed to make US safer, it also undermined the economy. Obama established legal pathways to citizenship. However Trump terminated legal protections to create chaos by turning legal into illegal immigrants. Lack of legal pathways encourage more illegal immigration. In first term, Trump reduced legal immigration but failed to reduce illegal immigration.
In April 2009, about three months into Obama’s first term, ICE announced a new focus on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hired workers illegally in the country. Arresting and removing workers alone was insufficient, an ICE memo said, and focusing on employers would target the root causes of illegal immigration. The agency also said it would continue to arrest and deport unauthorized workers encountered during operations.
Instead of conducting massive raids at worksites, ICE under Obama focused on audits of employers’ I-9 forms to determine if they complied with immigration law. ICE followed-up some cases with onsitelaw enforcement.
Media reports in 2010 and 2011 said the ICE audits became known as "SILENT RAIDS," often leading to employees being fired once their employers were notified by ICE of irregularities on the I-9 forms. (ICE gives employers time to correct any errors on the forms.)
Obama had better immigration policies than Trump. Obama generally upheld existing immigration system but Trump resorted to illegal tactics. Obama de-prioritized deporting illegal immigrants with long ties to the US. Removing mostly new arrivals at border and criminals or threats to national security. Whereas Trump crudely expanded quick removal of all non-citizens. Obama abandoned workplace immigration raids. Instead Trump teared the country apart by targeting immigrants everywhere. Going after workers not only failed to make US safer, it also undermined the economy. Obama established legal pathways to citizenship. However Trump terminated legal protections to create chaos by turning legal into illegal immigrants. Lack of legal pathways encourage more illegal immigration. In first term, Trump reduced legal immigration but failed to reduce illegal immigration.
In April 2009, about three months into Obama’s first term, ICE announced a new focus on the criminal prosecution of employers who knowingly hired workers illegally in the country. Arresting and removing workers alone was insufficient, an ICE memo said, and focusing on employers would target the root causes of illegal immigration. The agency also said it would continue to arrest and deport unauthorized workers encountered during operations.
Instead of conducting massive raids at worksites, ICE under Obama focused on audits of employers’ I-9 forms to determine if they complied with immigration law. ICE followed-up some cases with onsitelaw enforcement.
Media reports in 2010 and 2011 said the ICE audits became known as "SILENT RAIDS," often leading to employees being fired once their employers were notified by ICE of irregularities on the I-9 forms. (ICE gives employers time to correct any errors on the forms.)
Try googling it or is Google considered a right wing source..if so, guilty as charged..you're not going to like what you read because it doesn't fit your narrative of trying to bash me or prove im some way I am a republican like you and many others try to portray
I believe i googled something like "have previous administrations had problems with excessive force for removing illegal immigrants"..it eas something like that..could've been a few different words I used but I recall Biden, Obama and Bush popping up with multiple lawsuits for the same thing...if Google is wrong, please let me know
COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
Try googling it or is Google considered a right wing source..if so, guilty as charged..you're not going to like what you read because it doesn't fit your narrative of trying to bash me or prove im some way I am a republican like you and many others try to portray
I believe i googled something like "have previous administrations had problems with excessive force for removing illegal immigrants"..it eas something like that..could've been a few different words I used but I recall Biden, Obama and Bush popping up with multiple lawsuits for the same thing...if Google is wrong, please let me know
Look up "The Buffalo 25". An Obama era raid that shutdown Mexican resturants evading taxes by paying illegals under the table. Buildings were seized. Claims of dogs and being pushed to the ground, etc. Several activists later arrested too. Obama wanted no massive workplace raids like the one in Iowa, May of 2008. Too much bad publicity. So he found another route. Trump on the other hand doesn't care about bad publicity as he has been "conditioned" by it for years. Not politically correct he just hits the problem straight on.
I feel for these folks who were basically invited by the Biden Admin. Damn political pawns.
Look up "The Buffalo 25". An Obama era raid that shutdown Mexican resturants evading taxes by paying illegals under the table. Buildings were seized. Claims of dogs and being pushed to the ground, etc. Several activists later arrested too. Obama wanted no massive workplace raids like the one in Iowa, May of 2008. Too much bad publicity. So he found another route. Trump on the other hand doesn't care about bad publicity as he has been "conditioned" by it for years. Not politically correct he just hits the problem straight on.
I feel for these folks who were basically invited by the Biden Admin. Damn political pawns.
The concept was literally lost because I was trying to say is that several administrations had these dame issues that are happening today
Often what gets lost here is some think 'we' or 'they' are policy makers and have some kind of say over anything.
This sort, also struggles to comprehend that others operate in a middle or gray area. They're very absolute and overbearing with ther would be policies.
As to immigration, it's an admitted longstanding bipartisan run away train with positive and negative ramifications for US citizens.
Most - many are (and have been) ok with turning a blind eye to law breakers who maintain a small footprint and have been productive.
Obviously with election results the population was less amenable to open borders and Trump's intent respective to immigrantion wasn't one of his purported lies to the people.
Am I OK with.........doesn't matter, I don't make policy.
Should the masked serial killer next door identified off trash get a pass cause he held a job and didn't kill anyone for 40 years.
Should Nazi guards be prosecuted in their 90's with 2020+ vengeance when they otherwise lived peaceful post war lives?
I'm personally not ok with illegal entry. I am indifferent with the good ones staying but I'm also indifferent if someone wants to send them out.
The concept was literally lost because I was trying to say is that several administrations had these dame issues that are happening today
Often what gets lost here is some think 'we' or 'they' are policy makers and have some kind of say over anything.
This sort, also struggles to comprehend that others operate in a middle or gray area. They're very absolute and overbearing with ther would be policies.
As to immigration, it's an admitted longstanding bipartisan run away train with positive and negative ramifications for US citizens.
Most - many are (and have been) ok with turning a blind eye to law breakers who maintain a small footprint and have been productive.
Obviously with election results the population was less amenable to open borders and Trump's intent respective to immigrantion wasn't one of his purported lies to the people.
Am I OK with.........doesn't matter, I don't make policy.
Should the masked serial killer next door identified off trash get a pass cause he held a job and didn't kill anyone for 40 years.
Should Nazi guards be prosecuted in their 90's with 2020+ vengeance when they otherwise lived peaceful post war lives?
I'm personally not ok with illegal entry. I am indifferent with the good ones staying but I'm also indifferent if someone wants to send them out.
This sort, also struggles to comprehend that others operate in a middle or gray area. They're very absolute and overbearing with ther would be policies.
Exactly...some here refuse to understand, or just flat out cannot comprehend, that there are people that are middle of the road...it baffles them because they don't know what to say or do to those individuals so they make outlandish claims that you are opposite of them so they label you....I work in an area of gray with labor laws and employees in HR and you have to be neutral until the facts are provided and you can make an informed decision...if you are unable to operate in the middle then often times your remarks are not neutral and are slighted towards your beliefs of which side of the aisle you reside with...a true person, not tied to a party line, can evaluate policies from both sides and see value objectively...easy to see who is not operating in the middle and who is deflecting and labeling those they don't understand.....just makes you pretty cool for a dick....
Good luck with your two party system that is literally destroying this country...bunch of liars and self centered politicians that act like they care about you and the people but they don't...
COVERS allows u to tell someone they are sexually frustrated so long as ur hands are clean
This sort, also struggles to comprehend that others operate in a middle or gray area. They're very absolute and overbearing with ther would be policies.
Exactly...some here refuse to understand, or just flat out cannot comprehend, that there are people that are middle of the road...it baffles them because they don't know what to say or do to those individuals so they make outlandish claims that you are opposite of them so they label you....I work in an area of gray with labor laws and employees in HR and you have to be neutral until the facts are provided and you can make an informed decision...if you are unable to operate in the middle then often times your remarks are not neutral and are slighted towards your beliefs of which side of the aisle you reside with...a true person, not tied to a party line, can evaluate policies from both sides and see value objectively...easy to see who is not operating in the middle and who is deflecting and labeling those they don't understand.....just makes you pretty cool for a dick....
Good luck with your two party system that is literally destroying this country...bunch of liars and self centered politicians that act like they care about you and the people but they don't...
FWIW Google is not a source, Google is a search engine that provides SOURCES from actual SOURCES.\
So again, you made the reply I am just interested in what sources you took your data and conclusions from given that they were your words and conclusions. If asking you to explain your words is bashing then I guess you might be in too deep to have conversations. You made a reply and I am asking how you drew your conclusions, is this bashing to you?
FWIW Google is not a source, Google is a search engine that provides SOURCES from actual SOURCES.\
So again, you made the reply I am just interested in what sources you took your data and conclusions from given that they were your words and conclusions. If asking you to explain your words is bashing then I guess you might be in too deep to have conversations. You made a reply and I am asking how you drew your conclusions, is this bashing to you?
If you break a national law by entering America without going through the correct process - you should be jailed or deported immediately upon capture. Very simple really!
If you break a national law by entering America without going through the correct process - you should be jailed or deported immediately upon capture. Very simple really!
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: How many of the millions of illegals in our country who are WHITE and speak English has the racist MAGAtt regime arrested for deportation? Millions of whites? Where are they? There are about 60,000 from Canada. They represent 1% of all illegal immigrants. Here's a white Canadian not allowed back in until he legally straightens it out. https://globalnews.ca/news/11287544/canadian-citizen-denied-entry-back-us/ And speaking of Canada; https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/canada-set-to-deport-over-4-million-immigrants-as-new-details-surface/ar-AA1vbMXE https://www.mwakilishi.com/article/immigration-news/2024-12-02/5-million-temporary-residents-face-potential-departure-from
Interesting...so it is happening in reverse as many think that it is just targeting those of certain descent
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Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: How many of the millions of illegals in our country who are WHITE and speak English has the racist MAGAtt regime arrested for deportation? Millions of whites? Where are they? There are about 60,000 from Canada. They represent 1% of all illegal immigrants. Here's a white Canadian not allowed back in until he legally straightens it out. https://globalnews.ca/news/11287544/canadian-citizen-denied-entry-back-us/ And speaking of Canada; https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/canada-set-to-deport-over-4-million-immigrants-as-new-details-surface/ar-AA1vbMXE https://www.mwakilishi.com/article/immigration-news/2024-12-02/5-million-temporary-residents-face-potential-departure-from
Interesting...so it is happening in reverse as many think that it is just targeting those of certain descent
Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: How many of the millions of illegals in our country who are WHITE and speak English has the racist MAGAtt regime arrested for deportation?
Yep! I've wondered that too!
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Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: How many of the millions of illegals in our country who are WHITE and speak English has the racist MAGAtt regime arrested for deportation?
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How many of the millions of illegals in our country who are WHITE and speak English has the racist MAGAtt regime arrested for deportation?
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