If Christ died on the cross for all of humanity

One is only able to preach the word to whomever is willing to listen, and it's up to that person to take it from there.

[Quote: Originally Posted by smoothd20]

Paul cites Isaiah 45:23 to say that at the feet of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue confess the Jesus is the Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Smooth is such a typical modern christian.......he listens to the likes of joel osteen and thinks the rabbi, pope and imam are all hugging in this group of godly love

smooth is either ignorant or a hypocrite.

I love a good debate and I respect many of the people who have posted in this thread (and that includes those that share similar opinions and those that have different opinions.....I have learned a lot and that is what counts IMO).  

MIkniks-Mental masturbation isn't praising each other constantly. I'm referring to the incessant need that atheist have to continuously debate an issue without taking any action. That to me is mental masturbation. No question gets answered by you guys accept some dismissive response. I have made at least 2 challenges that if you guys were serious you would at least do. We had one feeble attempt and that's it. 5200 posts and there isn't a single serious atheist in the lot. That's what I call mental masturbation. The only goal you guys have is avoidance at all cost of the inevitable truth that you spend your life running away from. Atheist are no different than a elite athlete with a bunch of yes men around him or her. You codify each other with the atheist credo and don't realize how you have manipulated yourselves into a group mentality in stark similarity to the Stepford Wives. It's like some Matrix deal going on with you. No matter where you go the atheist repeat the same tired lines with a barrage of bullshit. Put in the work boys if you believe what you say you believe put the work in. Most Christians and theist have concrete examples of how the Lord has worked in their lives.  It's the action behind the words that count. Not just endlessly debating an issue where you have no intention of validating your beliefs besides some spoon fed crap that some other deranged atheist posted online or wrote in some book that has been refuted a thousand times over. That is mental masturbation. An exercise in utter BS without the motivation to at least put it to the test and follow up with action. I see no action in atheism.

How are atheist like republicans? They both say no to everything but don't offer any other solutions. Republicans-The Party of No. Atheist-the belief in nothing with the alternative being we don't know. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny as hell. You lead empty lives and don't even know it.

I'm going to address this "nobody knows business" That's another fallacy that the atheist believe and unfortunately some Christians fall for.  Just like my good friend who was an intense skeptic about UFO's and would laugh at people who had the experience. Like I posted last week he isn't laughing anymore. After his intense experience in the remote parts of Utah where he had an Close Encounter of the 2nd kind. When he told me this story. I explained to him that people will doubt his story but it doesn't matter because now he KNOWS the truth. Just like my experience a long time ago with a UFO. Mine wasn't as intense as his but it still changed my perception of the Universe as we know it. Before my experience I heard others stories. I was fascinated but I didn't KNOW so it was just an assumptive opinion on my part. After my experience I KNEW as the other people that saw what I saw also KNEW.  Now we can offer up the government explanations of weather balloons and other BS that the government puts out but I assure you when you see the real thing you know the freaking deal. So getting back to my friend. He KNOWS now and I have told him not to worry about what others think because he was like them before he had the experience. As long as you KNOW that's all that matters. 

You would think that as much trash as the atheist talk that they would jump at anything to prove their point but alas like I have said they're not interested in any progress just constant chatter back and forth where nothing is ever resolved 

Just like my good friend who was an intense skeptic about UFO's and would laugh at people who had the experience. Like I posted last week he isn't laughing anymore. After his intense experience in the remote parts of Utah where he had an Close Encounter of the 2nd kind. When he told me this story. I explained to him that people will doubt his story but it doesn't matter because now he KNOWS the truth. Just like my experience a long time ago with a UFO.

I'm going to address this "nobody knows business" That's another fallacy that the atheist believe

And I don't claim to know.  I just have a problem that you claim to know. 

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your quote is "there is no difference between god's"...... it shows you are either ignorant or a hypocrite.

while i have respect for atheists, i prefer deists and agnostics.....

You are still showing that you are wet between the ears. ..lol

Where have I said what I posted previously about the first cause argument was my work?

If you go back to pg. 208 post #5178 this is what I clearly said to inform anyone who read what I posted:

(The most famous of all arguments for the existence of God are the "five ways" of Saint Thomas Aquinas.

One of the five ways, the fifth, is the argument from design and the other four are versions of the first-cause argument.)

So I clearly posted that the first cause argument was the work of Saint Thomas Aquinas. So in essence I wasn't stealing anything and making it look that it originated from me. C'mon wake up dude! Are you having trouble comprehending what you are reading?...lol

I have been posting a lot of passages from the bible also...do I ever say it is coming from me?...well of course not, it is coming from the Lord, because the bible is the Word of God.

So am I plagiarizing the Lord too? Well of course not.

I'm just stating what He has said which is written in the bible like for example whoever believes and accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior and repents their sins will be allowed to enter God's Kingdom of Heaven and spend eternity in paradise.

Correction: So in essence I wasn't stealing anything and making it look like it originated from me.

I may be a kook in your eyes but I don't spend countless hours debating with someone about something I don't believe in. I find that to be quite bizarre and strange to say the least. I also don't get angry with people who say they KNOW something. If they say they KNOW  they must KNOW according to their belief. Jesus healed according to the faith that you have inside of you. He said many times that the  Father within doeth the works. So I'm puzzled as to why me knowing something whether it's God, UFO's experiences that my friends had or me, or anything for that matter would bother someone so much as to be labeled a kook. Interesting how the mind works. Yet you guys sit around and read about theories most which have been proven wrong and take it for gospel. Quite amazing when you think about it. News flash for the atheist! There is more to this world than meets the eye and our understanding of this Universe is the equivalent of being in Pre-school at this point. We basically know very little. So to dismiss something simply because you don't KNOW anything about it is really crazy. 

I didn't say you claimed the "argument" to be yours, but you copied and pasted from a website.  (And I'm the one who has trouble comprehending.)  It's funny to me that you think you're so clever.  The problem with stupid people is that they can't think on a higher level, and they don't realize there is a higher level of thinking, so to have a conversation with these people, one must drop down to their level.  It is quite tiresome, really.    Basically what I'm trying to say is that stupid people don't know they're stupid.  It's ok to be unintelligent, as I have become very tolerant of all people, just don't attempt to involve yourself in intelligent conversation.

Einstein didnt believe in a personal God because he could not get past all the evils that are present in our world.

He made an assumption as most atheists do, that if God existed , he would create a world that is physically good and morally good.

We as Christians do not believe that the purpose of the universe is to be physically perfect or to make perfect moral choices BUT as a place where spiritual creatures can CHOOSE to love God or reject God.

It would not be possible to have this CHOICE if the only choices we have can ONLY be good ones..

Evil is a consequence of free will, Mr Einstein, as brilliant as he was in science, could not comprehend this ...

 

I think alot confusion arises is when non believers equate the reasonings / laws and physics of this universe / world that we live in to a world which we as  believers believe in (supernatural).

I think the atheists here are at a big disadvantage. We are currently in this universe, therefore we can study and observe the laws of the naturalistic world. I think logically we can conclude that everything that begins to exist has a cause.....This law is a conservation law within physics. We KNOW this to be true because we can observe.

However, when one tries to apply this rule to a world we believers believe in (supernatural), there is no basis to do so. Remember, the supernatural world is not the same as the natural world we live in. We havent observed the supernatural world, so we dont know its laws.

Therefore, comparisons shouldnt be made.

 

This thread has to stop......Things are getting repeated and repeated and repeated.

SJD and Smoothd, you guys have been great, God bless, but i think you are exhausting alot of energy here.

Keep in my these passages.

Corinthians 1:18

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God"

When People laugh at this quote, it further strengthens its truth...

 

 

SJD and Smooth....I further tell you why this is a waste of time.

Consider this quote

Romans 1:20" For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, because they are understood through what has been made. So people are without excuse"

With this quote in mind, for the past 5000 quotes, we have been looking at a wall that is painted in blue , we are saying that the colour of the wall is blue, we know it is blue, yet the atheists are saying it is not blue.

Thats what it comes down...We can all argue till we are blue in the face, it wont matter, this is what it comes down to.

You are right, no comparison can be made with fantasy, and logic. It leads to folks like you thinking you have something of value to add to critical thinking, and debate.

"I know, because I know" is not critical thinking, nor debate. It is the petulant whining of a child. And now we have you all claiming proof of alien visitation... fawktards...