Morales looked weight drained prior to his fight vs.
Pacquiao at super featherweight. His face was so drawn that I
tried to double my Pac-man KO prop when they showed him on TV prior to
walking out to the ring, but I was too late. I think the move up
to lightweight will do him some good. And Morales has looked
healthier in the photos I've seen of him leading up to the fight.
Diaz got outboxed over the first nine rounds versus santa cruz, and he
got lucky in the 10th round to land some clean punches that put santa
cruz on the canvas. If the match comes down to boxing ability, I
like the veteran Morales. Diaz really isn't a KO artist, so even
though it's a remote possibility, I'd say that the smart play is
Morales straight up at about -120.
Morales looked weight drained prior to his fight vs.
Pacquiao at super featherweight. His face was so drawn that I
tried to double my Pac-man KO prop when they showed him on TV prior to
walking out to the ring, but I was too late. I think the move up
to lightweight will do him some good. And Morales has looked
healthier in the photos I've seen of him leading up to the fight.
Diaz got outboxed over the first nine rounds versus santa cruz, and he
got lucky in the 10th round to land some clean punches that put santa
cruz on the canvas. If the match comes down to boxing ability, I
like the veteran Morales. Diaz really isn't a KO artist, so even
though it's a remote possibility, I'd say that the smart play is
Morales straight up at about -120.
Morales looked weight drained prior to his fight vs.
Pacquiao at super featherweight. His face was so drawn that I
tried to double my Pac-man KO prop when they showed him on TV prior to
walking out to the ring, but I was too late. I think the move up
to lightweight will do him some good. And Morales has looked
healthier in the photos I've seen of him leading up to the fight.
Diaz got outboxed over the first nine rounds versus santa cruz, and he
got lucky in the 10th round to land some clean punches that put santa
cruz on the canvas. If the match comes down to boxing ability, I
like the veteran Morales. Diaz really isn't a KO artist, so even
though it's a remote possibility, I'd say that the smart play is
Morales straight up at about -120.
You have to remember that in Morales's only other fight at 135 he was easily beaten by the larger and not very good Zahir Raheem.
Morales looked weight drained prior to his fight vs.
Pacquiao at super featherweight. His face was so drawn that I
tried to double my Pac-man KO prop when they showed him on TV prior to
walking out to the ring, but I was too late. I think the move up
to lightweight will do him some good. And Morales has looked
healthier in the photos I've seen of him leading up to the fight.
Diaz got outboxed over the first nine rounds versus santa cruz, and he
got lucky in the 10th round to land some clean punches that put santa
cruz on the canvas. If the match comes down to boxing ability, I
like the veteran Morales. Diaz really isn't a KO artist, so even
though it's a remote possibility, I'd say that the smart play is
Morales straight up at about -120.
You have to remember that in Morales's only other fight at 135 he was easily beaten by the larger and not very good Zahir Raheem.
You're right about that. And Diaz had fought at junior welter until a couple of years ago...Maybe Morales is a shot fighter? I'm probably going to take a long look at a Diaz KO prop now, as there could be some value there. What are you thinking?
You're right about that. And Diaz had fought at junior welter until a couple of years ago...Maybe Morales is a shot fighter? I'm probably going to take a long look at a Diaz KO prop now, as there could be some value there. What are you thinking?
Morrales looked more than shot against the pac-man, after all these years of watching him fight he almost looked Gatti like in the way he got beat down, just seems he knew when to stay down unlike Gatti who kept wanting to take a beating till you put him down.
Morrales looked more than shot against the pac-man, after all these years of watching him fight he almost looked Gatti like in the way he got beat down, just seems he knew when to stay down unlike Gatti who kept wanting to take a beating till you put him down.
Knowing that he was outclassed by Pac-man is different than being a "shot fighter." If Morales had kept taking a beating, then he might be shot for this fight. But he's smarter than that. He knew he was weight drained for the last fight and stood no chance in the ring. I think that it's a big stretch to compare him to Gatti, who had taken much more severe beatings at a higher weight class. Morales is a boxer, and if he boxes Diaz, then he shouldn't have a problem taking the fight.
Knowing that he was outclassed by Pac-man is different than being a "shot fighter." If Morales had kept taking a beating, then he might be shot for this fight. But he's smarter than that. He knew he was weight drained for the last fight and stood no chance in the ring. I think that it's a big stretch to compare him to Gatti, who had taken much more severe beatings at a higher weight class. Morales is a boxer, and if he boxes Diaz, then he shouldn't have a problem taking the fight.
I'd say that the smart play is
Morales straight up at about -120.
On the contrary, you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent. And David Diaz is all wrong for Erik Morales. He's young, thick, tough, throws committed body punches, and is more of a boxer than the corpse of Morales.
Perricm, didn't it seem like Morales retired in the ring against Pac? Maybe you didn't watch the fight but that's what happened. Everyone assumed he would hang it up, even Arum, but Morales insisted on another fight.
I don't know why I should help a dbag like you win money but I guess it's because you talk about betting on boxing like you're an authority when really you're a sucker, and I don't want you convincing others to make donkey plays.
Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along. The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose the fight. You guys are both morons.
I'd say that the smart play is
Morales straight up at about -120.
On the contrary, you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent. And David Diaz is all wrong for Erik Morales. He's young, thick, tough, throws committed body punches, and is more of a boxer than the corpse of Morales.
Perricm, didn't it seem like Morales retired in the ring against Pac? Maybe you didn't watch the fight but that's what happened. Everyone assumed he would hang it up, even Arum, but Morales insisted on another fight.
I don't know why I should help a dbag like you win money but I guess it's because you talk about betting on boxing like you're an authority when really you're a sucker, and I don't want you convincing others to make donkey plays.
Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along. The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose the fight. You guys are both morons.
On the contrary, you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent. And David Diaz is all wrong for Erik Morales. He's young, thick, tough, throws committed body punches, and is more of a boxer than the corpse of Morales.
Perricm, didn't it seem like Morales retired in the ring against Pac? Maybe you didn't watch the fight but that's what happened. Everyone assumed he would hang it up, even Arum, but Morales insisted on another fight.
I don't know why I should help a dbag like you win money but I guess it's because you talk about betting on boxing like you're an authority when really you're a sucker, and I don't want you convincing others to make donkey plays.
Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along. The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose the fight. You guys are both morons.
Diaz by KO.
"A chance", of course you idiot Baldomir had a chance, everyone who steps into the ring has a chance. Please show me where in last week's discussion did I ever endorse playing Baldomir at any odds whatsoever. I have had Vernon Forrest tabbed in this forum as one of my futures plays for over a month. If you think I am a moron great, but again just like last week don't state falsities. My record and posts here at Covers are well documented, I love when new guys like yourself come along and try to be the internet tough guy or the second coming of Jimmy the Greek.
On the contrary, you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent. And David Diaz is all wrong for Erik Morales. He's young, thick, tough, throws committed body punches, and is more of a boxer than the corpse of Morales.
Perricm, didn't it seem like Morales retired in the ring against Pac? Maybe you didn't watch the fight but that's what happened. Everyone assumed he would hang it up, even Arum, but Morales insisted on another fight.
I don't know why I should help a dbag like you win money but I guess it's because you talk about betting on boxing like you're an authority when really you're a sucker, and I don't want you convincing others to make donkey plays.
Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along. The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose the fight. You guys are both morons.
Diaz by KO.
"A chance", of course you idiot Baldomir had a chance, everyone who steps into the ring has a chance. Please show me where in last week's discussion did I ever endorse playing Baldomir at any odds whatsoever. I have had Vernon Forrest tabbed in this forum as one of my futures plays for over a month. If you think I am a moron great, but again just like last week don't state falsities. My record and posts here at Covers are well documented, I love when new guys like yourself come along and try to be the internet tough guy or the second coming of Jimmy the Greek.
Gosh, Brianedco, there's so much here that I'm going to have to list my responses to the marginal points you bring up:
brianedco: you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent.
There are opponents out there that Morales can still beat. I
think it's more foolish to say that he would lose "regardless of the
opponent" than to back him in some instances. Yes, Morales quit
against Pac-man, but Pac-man has the most potent and effective
offensive attack at 130, and Morales knew that he couldn't stand a
chance at 80%. It's well documented that Morales was weight
drained for that fight, and I specifically recall realizing that I won
my Pac-man KO prop after seeing Morales on TV prior to him entering the
ring. Morales-Diaz is a different kind of fight. Morales
shouldn't fear Diaz, as Morales knows that he has the skills to outbox
the smaller brawler. Of course, Diaz could catch him with some
wild shots, and I don't dispute that there's the possibility of Morales
going down. But at close to even money, I see a lot of value in a
Morales play, as there's a better than 60% chance that he outboxes Diaz.
brianedco: Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted
to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along.
See Fullbrights' post above. Also, given the unknowns about
Forrest's condition, Baldomir definitely had to be feared going into
the fight. And Fullbrights shouldn't be associated with my own
wavering on the fight. The fight needed to be properly analyzed
and that's why I was discussing it on this forum. People who come
in here touting one fighter at the beginning of the week are the ones
who end up losing money. After careful deliberation, I decided on
Friday that Forrest by decision was the logical outcome of the
fight. Whether it was "the way to go along" is actually
irrelevant because all that matters is the play you end up making.
brianedco: The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the
best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose
the fight. You guys are both morons.
This is a ludicrous assertion. If you watched the fight, you
would know that there was no chance of Baldomir going down, as he
basically has a granite chin. That's why Buddy McGirt told
Forrest to just score points and not worry about trying to stop
Baldomir. It would have been stupid for Forrest to do anything
other than win the fight once Baldomir showed that he could take
Forrest's best punches. As a result, clearly the best play was
Forrest by decision (+120), which offered over 100 points of value over
Forrest straight up (-220). Now, is there really any question
about who's the moron?
Gosh, Brianedco, there's so much here that I'm going to have to list my responses to the marginal points you bring up:
brianedco: you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent.
There are opponents out there that Morales can still beat. I
think it's more foolish to say that he would lose "regardless of the
opponent" than to back him in some instances. Yes, Morales quit
against Pac-man, but Pac-man has the most potent and effective
offensive attack at 130, and Morales knew that he couldn't stand a
chance at 80%. It's well documented that Morales was weight
drained for that fight, and I specifically recall realizing that I won
my Pac-man KO prop after seeing Morales on TV prior to him entering the
ring. Morales-Diaz is a different kind of fight. Morales
shouldn't fear Diaz, as Morales knows that he has the skills to outbox
the smaller brawler. Of course, Diaz could catch him with some
wild shots, and I don't dispute that there's the possibility of Morales
going down. But at close to even money, I see a lot of value in a
Morales play, as there's a better than 60% chance that he outboxes Diaz.
brianedco: Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted
to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along.
See Fullbrights' post above. Also, given the unknowns about
Forrest's condition, Baldomir definitely had to be feared going into
the fight. And Fullbrights shouldn't be associated with my own
wavering on the fight. The fight needed to be properly analyzed
and that's why I was discussing it on this forum. People who come
in here touting one fighter at the beginning of the week are the ones
who end up losing money. After careful deliberation, I decided on
Friday that Forrest by decision was the logical outcome of the
fight. Whether it was "the way to go along" is actually
irrelevant because all that matters is the play you end up making.
brianedco: The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the
best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose
the fight. You guys are both morons.
This is a ludicrous assertion. If you watched the fight, you
would know that there was no chance of Baldomir going down, as he
basically has a granite chin. That's why Buddy McGirt told
Forrest to just score points and not worry about trying to stop
Baldomir. It would have been stupid for Forrest to do anything
other than win the fight once Baldomir showed that he could take
Forrest's best punches. As a result, clearly the best play was
Forrest by decision (+120), which offered over 100 points of value over
Forrest straight up (-220). Now, is there really any question
about who's the moron?
Please show me where in last week's discussion did I ever endorse playing Baldomir at any odds whatsoever.
No problem.
Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:
I am actually surprised to see the number where it is now at -180 to
-200 with all the question marks on Forrest's side. His shoulder is
very fragile, plus when you throw in his inactivity at the age of 36 it
is not your ideal chalk laying situation.
Isn't it wild how much
of a public perception that Vernon Forrest has as being an elite
fighter off of the fact that Shane Mosley was made for him. Yeah he
had a great amateur career, but his resume as a pro is pretty weak if
it wasn't for Shane. I guess you could say his next best two wins
would be over faded versions of Quartey and Vince Phillips.
And a lot of fighters go into the ring without a chance. If you don't understand that you're beyond dumb.
Please show me where in last week's discussion did I ever endorse playing Baldomir at any odds whatsoever.
No problem.
Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:
I am actually surprised to see the number where it is now at -180 to
-200 with all the question marks on Forrest's side. His shoulder is
very fragile, plus when you throw in his inactivity at the age of 36 it
is not your ideal chalk laying situation.
Isn't it wild how much
of a public perception that Vernon Forrest has as being an elite
fighter off of the fact that Shane Mosley was made for him. Yeah he
had a great amateur career, but his resume as a pro is pretty weak if
it wasn't for Shane. I guess you could say his next best two wins
would be over faded versions of Quartey and Vince Phillips.
And a lot of fighters go into the ring without a chance. If you don't understand that you're beyond dumb.
I see a lot of value in a
Morales play, as there's a better than 60% chance that he outboxes Diaz.
I really hope you bet on it. He's done.
Baldomir did not have to be feared going into the fight. He was outclassed and people who understand boxing (eg not you and Fullofit) knew that. He definitely could have stopped him, Baldy definitely could have been cut, and you definitely could have lost your money. Forrest straight up couldn't lose.
It is clear that you and the other guy are tards, and it will be even more clear come Sunday morning.
I see a lot of value in a
Morales play, as there's a better than 60% chance that he outboxes Diaz.
I really hope you bet on it. He's done.
Baldomir did not have to be feared going into the fight. He was outclassed and people who understand boxing (eg not you and Fullofit) knew that. He definitely could have stopped him, Baldy definitely could have been cut, and you definitely could have lost your money. Forrest straight up couldn't lose.
It is clear that you and the other guy are tards, and it will be even more clear come Sunday morning.
This fight is a true pick 'em...anyone see any value in the UNDER 10.5 Rounds at +180 ?
If you like Diaz to win, the under's a good play, as I could see
Morales giving up if he's getting manhandled in the ring. But if
you like Morales to win, then he probably does it by decision.
This fight is a true pick 'em...anyone see any value in the UNDER 10.5 Rounds at +180 ?
If you like Diaz to win, the under's a good play, as I could see
Morales giving up if he's getting manhandled in the ring. But if
you like Morales to win, then he probably does it by decision.
I am actually surprised to see the number where it is now at -180 to
-200 with all the question marks on Forrest's side. His shoulder is
very fragile, plus when you throw in his inactivity at the age of 36 it
is not your ideal chalk laying situation.
Isn't it wild how much
of a public perception that Vernon Forrest has as being an elite
fighter off of the fact that Shane Mosley was made for him. Yeah he
had a great amateur career, but his resume as a pro is pretty weak if
it wasn't for Shane. I guess you could say his next best two wins
would be over faded versions of Quartey and Vince Phillips.
And a lot of fighters go into the ring without a chance. If you don't understand that you're beyond dumb.
Again where did I ever endorse playing Baldomir at any odds? You once again stated something that is not true, good job, your three for three now. Healthy odds conversation is a little different then endorsing a fighter; I didn't like laying 2-1 on Forrest, but that doesn't mean in your wildest dreams that I would ever have played Baldomir. I had Forrest pegged in my future plays for over a month and all you have to do is go back and look in the forum. You actually seem like you know about the sport, but I cannot figure out yet why you continue to state falsehoods. I hope you also don't think that I am playing Morales or maybe in your mind you read that in this thread.
Look I am glad to have you a part of the forum and glad that you decided to return recently from your 4 month hiatus after your maximum confidence play of the year under in Harris-Lazcano didn't come through. Is that fight still the front runner for fight of the year? You actually know about the sport, but you go about discussing it in the wrong way and lose all credibility when you continually state fiction.
I am actually surprised to see the number where it is now at -180 to
-200 with all the question marks on Forrest's side. His shoulder is
very fragile, plus when you throw in his inactivity at the age of 36 it
is not your ideal chalk laying situation.
Isn't it wild how much
of a public perception that Vernon Forrest has as being an elite
fighter off of the fact that Shane Mosley was made for him. Yeah he
had a great amateur career, but his resume as a pro is pretty weak if
it wasn't for Shane. I guess you could say his next best two wins
would be over faded versions of Quartey and Vince Phillips.
And a lot of fighters go into the ring without a chance. If you don't understand that you're beyond dumb.
Again where did I ever endorse playing Baldomir at any odds? You once again stated something that is not true, good job, your three for three now. Healthy odds conversation is a little different then endorsing a fighter; I didn't like laying 2-1 on Forrest, but that doesn't mean in your wildest dreams that I would ever have played Baldomir. I had Forrest pegged in my future plays for over a month and all you have to do is go back and look in the forum. You actually seem like you know about the sport, but I cannot figure out yet why you continue to state falsehoods. I hope you also don't think that I am playing Morales or maybe in your mind you read that in this thread.
Look I am glad to have you a part of the forum and glad that you decided to return recently from your 4 month hiatus after your maximum confidence play of the year under in Harris-Lazcano didn't come through. Is that fight still the front runner for fight of the year? You actually know about the sport, but you go about discussing it in the wrong way and lose all credibility when you continually state fiction.
After considering the fight some more, I'm thinking that
Diaz's experience against bigger fighters is going to make a big
difference. Like people have been saying on this thread, Morales
is the smaller fighter, and if he had trouble with Pacquiao's punches,
he's going to struggle moving up in weight against the rugged
Diaz. Not sure how exactly I'm going to bet the fight, though.
After considering the fight some more, I'm thinking that
Diaz's experience against bigger fighters is going to make a big
difference. Like people have been saying on this thread, Morales
is the smaller fighter, and if he had trouble with Pacquiao's punches,
he's going to struggle moving up in weight against the rugged
Diaz. Not sure how exactly I'm going to bet the fight, though.
On the contrary, you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent. And David Diaz is all wrong for Erik Morales. He's young, thick, tough, throws committed body punches, and is more of a boxer than the corpse of Morales.
Perricm, didn't it seem like Morales retired in the ring against Pac? Maybe you didn't watch the fight but that's what happened. Everyone assumed he would hang it up, even Arum, but Morales insisted on another fight.
I don't know why I should help a dbag like you win money but I guess it's because you talk about betting on boxing like you're an authority when really you're a sucker, and I don't want you convincing others to make donkey plays.
Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along. The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose the fight. You guys are both morons.
Diaz by KO.
brian is diaz worthy of a big play for this fight?
On the contrary, you'd have to be a fool to back "The Terrible One" at this stage of his career regardless of the opponent. And David Diaz is all wrong for Erik Morales. He's young, thick, tough, throws committed body punches, and is more of a boxer than the corpse of Morales.
Perricm, didn't it seem like Morales retired in the ring against Pac? Maybe you didn't watch the fight but that's what happened. Everyone assumed he would hang it up, even Arum, but Morales insisted on another fight.
I don't know why I should help a dbag like you win money but I guess it's because you talk about betting on boxing like you're an authority when really you're a sucker, and I don't want you convincing others to make donkey plays.
Funny how last week you and Fullbrights were initially talking about Baldy like he had a chance, then someone talked you into Forrest, then AFTER THE FIGHT you wanted to say Forrest by decision was really the only way to go all along. The way the fight went, Forrest could have stopped him. Clearly the best play was Forrest straight up, since there was no way he could lose the fight. You guys are both morons.
Diaz by KO.
brian is diaz worthy of a big play for this fight?
BTW this boxing forum seems like its being overrun by newbie idiots as well.
guys like alwayswin,bigeei,fullbrights and me have been here for a while , we are civil to each other and we "argue" our points. we dont need this turning into an idiotfest where people cant make points without starting bullcrap
BTW this boxing forum seems like its being overrun by newbie idiots as well.
guys like alwayswin,bigeei,fullbrights and me have been here for a while , we are civil to each other and we "argue" our points. we dont need this turning into an idiotfest where people cant make points without starting bullcrap
This fight is taking place in Chicago at the same time as the popular annual music festival Lollapalooza. Anyone else find this to be quite the mistake on the organizer's part?
Also, I see [at Caesar's Palace]
David Diaz -110 Erik Morales -120
WILL GO 11 FULL ROUNDS -200 WON'T GO 11 FULL ROUNDS +170
This fight is taking place in Chicago at the same time as the popular annual music festival Lollapalooza. Anyone else find this to be quite the mistake on the organizer's part?
Also, I see [at Caesar's Palace]
David Diaz -110 Erik Morales -120
WILL GO 11 FULL ROUNDS -200 WON'T GO 11 FULL ROUNDS +170
Brianedco, I'm in agreement with you at this point (despite are
mid-week haggling -- turns out I was probably wrong about Morales still
having the ability to outbox Diaz). I can get 3-1 odds on both
the KO and the decision, so if I dispersed my money equally between the
two, I would get even odds on Diaz, as opposed to the -115 my book is
offering (of course, i'd be giving up the draw). But I think the
KO is more likely, so I'm putting $125 on that and $75 on the decision.
I profit $300 if Diaz KOs Morales, and $100 if he wins by decision.
Brianedco, I'm in agreement with you at this point (despite are
mid-week haggling -- turns out I was probably wrong about Morales still
having the ability to outbox Diaz). I can get 3-1 odds on both
the KO and the decision, so if I dispersed my money equally between the
two, I would get even odds on Diaz, as opposed to the -115 my book is
offering (of course, i'd be giving up the draw). But I think the
KO is more likely, so I'm putting $125 on that and $75 on the decision.
I profit $300 if Diaz KOs Morales, and $100 if he wins by decision.
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